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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    What healing? Content below Savage has practically no outgoing damage. Look at my aforementioned example of E12N. Even at release, you could literally never press a single heal and be perfectly fine. Star and Assize being used entirely for damage will cover everything indirectly. Tower of Paradigm's Breach never requires a single GCD unless people are just straight dumb and stand in things repeatedly. Healer oGCDs are so powerful and fights so scripted nowadays, they'll never have to worry about spending much time healing. And oGCD is no different than a tank weaving in Vengeance or Rampart.
    And this is where my major disagreement comes in.

    If you are in a group that is on point then sure the healing can be light for some encounters. Classes can't be built on content being ran perfect. If people feel that sch needs two more buttons to push to feel a great sense of accomplishment and thrill while playing that is perfectly fine. Don't decrease the healing ability while on your dps crusade because there are a lot of people that need those skills because their group is not composed of Chads.

    From what I can tell this is the only region jumping up and down complaining about SCH which in turn means all of this will fall on deaf ears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karthunk View Post
    And this is where my major disagreement comes in.

    If you are in a group that is on point then sure the healing can be light for some encounters. Classes can't be built on content being ran perfect. If people feel that sch needs two more buttons to push to feel a great sense of accomplishment and thrill while playing that is perfectly fine. Don't decrease the healing ability while on your dps crusade because there are a lot of people that need those skills because their group is not composed of Chads.

    From what I can tell this is the only region jumping up and down complaining about SCH which in turn means all of this will fall on deaf ears.
    GCD heals exist only to facilitate bad play at least in Shb. It is not a good thing. Tanks tend to not bother with their oGCD mitigation abilities because they have been constantly overhealed for the past 70-80 levels and they have never been put a position where they have to play their role because they actually don't need to, they have a GCD heal spammer at their disposal.

    There is nothing wrong with making mistakes actual mistakes. In trials and raids, the oGCDs of one healer are more than enough to cover the healing needed. The second healer can utilize their oGCD into recovering the party from mistakes to a certain degree. We don't need GCD healing in this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karthunk View Post

    From what I can tell this is the only region jumping up and down complaining about SCH which in turn means all of this will fall on deaf ears.
    The Jap player base resents current Scholar build as well. But, if the "healer" forums on this site are largely abandoned so if you're looking for specifics from those players you'll need to visit 3rd party sites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truen View Post
    The Jap player base resents current Scholar build as well. But, if the "healer" forums on this site are largely abandoned so if you're looking for specifics from those players you'll need to visit 3rd party sites.
    What site would that be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    Not quite true. Healing double pulling tank in the Holminster Switch while spamming AoE is harder than any savage tankbuster and that's not level cap. It is a bit embarrassing that level cap dungeons are actually easier. Maybe it is because of item level.
    Which kind of proves my point. We have to arbitrarily force dungeons to hit harder because the intended way of doing them makes tanks and healers feel entirely irrelevant. The dev team isn't designing dungeons for tanks mass pulling yet the community has all but made it standard simply due to how undertuned dungeons are. And yes, it's ridiculous how easy cap dungeons are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karthunk View Post
    And this is where my major disagreement comes in.

    If you are in a group that is on point then sure the healing can be light for some encounters. Classes can't be built on content being ran perfect. If people feel that sch needs two more buttons to push to feel a great sense of accomplishment and thrill while playing that is perfectly fine. Don't decrease the healing ability while on your dps crusade because there are a lot of people that need those skills because their group is not composed of Chads.

    From what I can tell this is the only region jumping up and down complaining about SCH which in turn means all of this will fall on deaf ears.
    I never said the group was on point. Paradigm's Breach still requires minimal healing even if people are performing terribly. I've literally solo healed it when my co-healer had no idea what they were doing. And I'm neither a healer main nor some great healer. Decent at most. Having to occasionally slap a Tetra or ED on a DPS getting hit by stuff doesn't radically deviate from the monotony of spamming Glare/Broil/Malefic.

    Fun Healer gameplay shouldn't be dependent on their party being a complete dumpster fire because those scenarios are often rare. In most cases, you'll have a relatively average run overall that results in spamming your aforementioned nuke far more than every other spell combined.
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