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    To be honest, I can't understand the Devs reasoning for 1 button dps rotations for the healer jobs:

    Noobs, Semi-AFK-leechers and mentally challenged players won't do their DPS rotations anyways and just do the basic healing spells. They should create some DPS rotation and make it so that the rotation does not get interrupted when a healer does his healing spells (and casting a healing spell should prevent the rotation from running out). Problem solved. A more interesting rotation for healing downtimes will make healing more appealing for dedicated players. The only DPS or Tank player that will currently switch to Healer for dungeons is either eating or is watching something on the 2nd monitor.

    I haven't played healer in Shadowbringers at all except for leveling them from 70 to 80 because I got frustrated with casting Broil all the time or becoming a breakdancer when spamming Art of War. Currently, I would rather do the Praetorium than being a healer. Even playing a Paladin and healing everybody with Clemency is more fun than the current healers now.
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    ''Noobs, Semi-AFK-leechers and mentally challenged players won't do their DPS rotations anyways and just do the basic healing spells.''

    Well done. You've summarized exactly who the intended audience for the game is now. If you have an IQ surpassing a house brick -- show yourself the exit.
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    Limited dps skill is fine as long as there something else besides healing and dps to do, tends to be why most folks that play healer enjoy ast so much. Sch is by far the worst at this, very dull dps, very dull mechanics, it could really use an interesting aspect, as fairy and aetherflow are very unremarkable....
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    Its difficult to say why the devs have chosen the route they have with healers. If one goes by the forums alone, it would seem like the devs don't listen to what the healer player base wants. That said I'm confidant they are basing their decisions on game metrics we don't have access too, and people who actually post on forums tend to be only a small segment of those who actually play the game.

    It would be appreciated if their reasoning could be explained in a future live letter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    Its difficult to say why the devs have chosen the route they have with healers. If one goes by the forums alone, it would seem like the devs don't listen to what the healer player base wants. That said I'm confidant they are basing their decisions on game metrics we don't have access too, and people who actually post on forums tend to be only a small segment of those who actually play the game.

    It would be appreciated if their reasoning could be explained in a future live letter.
    Or one can take their queues from the whole expansion’s worth of radio silence and drop healing entirely before it gets worse. Let the fotm sages take the wheel and burn through the launch period all the faster for it. If barely any other healer gets capped and the newbies start leaving with the vets then SE will have to face the actual problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxilor View Post
    I'm against Button Bloat, but they could give us some of those fancy skills that Replace like RDM has with Verholy and such.

    Yeah it wouldn't prevent it form being One Button but it could maybe add some complexity? I have no ideas just suggesting a compromise for those like me who don't want our bars so full.
    If anything can be considered bloating on Healers, it is the silly amount of Healing abilities.

    It would be great if Squeenix could at least utilize their own design plans for Healers correctly, by removing all shields and damage mitigation from Pure Healers, and all raw Heals, HoTs and potential largesse-like abilities from Shield Healers.

    That way, Healers would not only have Room for more dps spells, but also room for abilities/spells that influence positively the remaining healing abilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anhra View Post
    If anything can be considered bloating on Healers, it is the silly amount of Healing abilities.

    It would be great if Squeenix could at least utilize their own design plans for Healers correctly, by removing all shields and damage mitigation from Pure Healers, and all raw Heals, HoTs and potential largesse-like abilities from Shield Healers.

    That way, Healers would not only have Room for more dps spells, but also room for abilities/spells that influence positively the remaining healing abilities.
    Or even just bake those abilities into the heals, to make them more interesting. Like roll in Esuna in Cure 1 equivalents for Healers like that one person's idea.

    Combine AoE heals with Largesse effects? Idk man. Just something more interesting than what we have now. Raw damage heals are just boring. Theres absolutely no finesse to healing in this game. It's just timing, no skill.
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    im happy with Broil + 2 dots. remove ruin or change it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Szylver View Post
    im happy with Broil + 2 dots. remove ruin or change it.
    It doesn't really make sense for me that Scholar still has any Ruin spells at this point; it should be trying to further distance itself from Summoner, so the fact that it still has Ruin II despite the spell not doing the same thing as Endwalker Summoner and it getting three Scholar traits that only increase the spell's damage (rather than the spell upgrading or being replaced with something that doesn't have Ruin in the name) honestly perplexes me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MellowMink View Post
    It doesn't really make sense for me that Scholar still has any Ruin spells at this point; it should be trying to further distance itself from Summoner, so the fact that it still has Ruin II despite the spell not doing the same thing as Endwalker Summoner and it getting three Scholar traits that only increase the spell's damage (rather than the spell upgrading or being replaced with something that doesn't have Ruin in the name) honestly perplexes me.
    I was hoping this might at least come up in Endwalker interviews or be changed after the media tour, but we still have a different Ruin II that sticks out weirdly. Hope it changes later.
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