Monk Identity and Blitz ?

[Sora_Oathkeeper]

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We can measure the effectiveness of each PB window and compare them against simply spamming DK BS into EF Blitz. As of now Rising Phoenix is the only way to get Light Chakra by doing your normal form to form rotation except in a PB window which means that there will be a weaker (DK - Twin - Snap) and stronger (BS - True - Demo) variant. We'd need to average out the cost of obtaining a Light Chakra along with the payoff of Phantom Rush PB window to see whether that is better than straight up DK Boot EF spam.

So here goes:
Note: Base crit is around 1.4x multiplier with no extra crit stats. All BS in the equations are assumed to crit with Leaden Fist buff. TFC is 370 potency as of now and will be ÷5 to work out the average potency of obtaining a chakra (74 potency).

Dark Chakra window: BS (420+74) - DK (260) - BS (420+74) - EF (550~) - DK in Formless Fist (260) = 2058 ÷5 = 411.6 potency per GCD for that window.

Light Chakra window weak variant: DK (260) - Twin (230) - Snap (300) - RF (650) - BS in Formless Fist (420+74) = 1934 ÷5 = 386.8 potency per GCD.

Strong variant: BS (420+74) - True (270) - Demo (110 + 80*6 = 590) - RF (650) - DK in Formless Fist (260) = 2264 ÷5 = 452.8 potency per GCD.

Note2: Light chakra simply just wants you to go through the rotation. So the potency isn't as static as the Dark Chakra route. However if we average the strong and weak variant against Phantom Rush window we can estimate whether it will be worth it.

Phantom Rush Window: BS (420+74) - DK (260) - BS (420+74) - Phantom Rush (950~) - DK in Formless Fist (260) = 2458 ÷5 = 491.6.

So to work out if Light chakra is worth getting over Dark Chakra Spam window... we can average both variants against PR and see how it compares to Dark Chakra spam.

Weak: 491.6 + 386.8 = 885.6 ÷2 = 442.8 potency.
Strong: 491.6 + 452.8 = 472.2 potency.

We can see then that it is always worth going for Light and Dark Chakras over just Dark, because Phantom Rush window pushes the damage average above simple Boot and DK spam.

Note3: we don't know what the Two Seal Blitz will be, nor what chakra it will give. Therefore take all of this with a grain of salt. In general conclusion from what we know so far just spamming BS and DK under PB will result in a loss and it is better to go for Light AND Dark chakras for Phantom Rush. This could all change depending on any potency changes in the final build. Moreover, this is only in a vacuum without taking into account buff windows, fight design etc...

[aeoncs]

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Great analysis. Are the 550 potency of EF calculated from the damage it dealt in the LL compared to Phantom Rush? Or did I miss a tooltip?
On top of that Rising Phoenix has a changed potency of 700 according to a newly leaked tooltip.


LF + DK spam is still 411.6, as you said.
A full Phantom Rush cycle brings us to 1300 (411.6 + 396.8 + 491.6) ÷ 3 = 433.3~ for the weak Solar Nadi variant and 1366 (411.6 + 462.8 + 491.6) ÷ 3 = 455.3~ for the strong variant.

So yeah, Elixir Field would need a potency of 750 to make the spam worth it and that's not going to happen lol. I don't think that even the single target Lunar Nadi skill will be that strong & it's likely going to share potency with Rising Phoenix.

[Sora_Oathkeeper]

Great analysis. Are the 550 potency of EF calculated from the damage it dealt in the LL compared to Phantom Rush? Or did I miss a tooltip?
On top of that Rising Phoenix has a changed potency of 700 according to a newly leaked tooltip.


LF + DK spam is still 411.6, as you said.
A full Phantom Rush cycle brings us to 1300 (411.6 + 396.8 + 491.6) ÷ 3 = 433.3~ for the weak Solar Nadi variant and 1366 (411.6 + 462.8 + 491.6) ÷ 3 = 455.3~ for the strong variant.

So yeah, Elixir Field would need a potency of 750 to make the spam worth it and that's not going to happen lol. I don't think that even the single target Lunar Nadi skill will be that strong & it's likely going to share potency with Rising Phoenix.

Thank you! Yes you are correct! Rising Phoenix is actually 50 Potency higher (700 now) over the Live Letter build, making the overall effectiveness of gaining Light Chakra's worth more. And yes! EF's potency was worked out via the potency of RF, which, at the time was 650 potency and hit for around 12k I believe with a direct hit. So, I essentially got rid of the 1.2x modifier for the direct hit, leaving RF as a normal hit doing about 10k~ and then divided it by the potency (650) to work out what one potency is equal to in damage (15~ damage). Then I took the 9K from elixir field and divided it by the damage/potency to work out roughly what EF potency is (9,000 /15 = 575) - taking into account the game has a natural 5% rng spread of damage, made it more likely to be 550.

Note: The numbers above aren't exactly the same, but close enough to demonstrate my point. I used this same method to find out PR's potency too. We can safely conclude for now at least, that the developers did their calculations right and Phantom Rush worth the ramp up. Now we just need to wait to see what other changes there were so that a rotation and opener can be theorycrafted haha