We could really do much with Sch- A Shb Sch rework

[WaxSw]

"We coudn't really do that much about Scholar" I feel is one of the most unfortunate phrases I've heard since I started playing. Anyone who has played Sch for a fair amount of time know its not true but instead of making another thread complaining I think it could be more productive, in the unlikely case someone dev related read this, to have something showing how wrong that statement can be. These changes are that for me

The basic idea is to get Shb Sch with the Endwalker changes and evolve the job from that iteration, trying to tackle as many problems as possible, as such it will be focused on max level only and not leveling:

DPS STUFF (8 actions, comparable to SGE’s 7):

Broil: Reduced cast time

Miasma (NEW): Damage over time with a total potency higher than broil, 30s duration, GCD, 1.5s cast time, 2.5s recast time

Biolysis: Potency nerfed

Bane (NEW): Creates a Dot that lasts 15s, total potency 20 more than Broil, Spreads dots to nearby enemies + its own dot

Ruin2/4 (Rework): Potency increased to 50 less than Broil, Aetherflow actions would grant a Ruin 4 stack up to 3 charges, Ruin 4 has 20 more potency than Broil

The Single target buff they mentioned: Increase damage of a party member by X% against enemies afflicted by Sch dots, its effectiveness increases (X%+1, X%+2) depending on the number of dots the target has.

Energy Drain: Removed (It was bound to happen)

Chain Stratagem: Not changed

Art of War 2: Potency increase over Art of War

GCD HEAL STUFF:

Adlo/Succor: Cast times reduced

Physick: Removed

AETHERFLOW STUFF:

All Actions (Rework): Now give 5% MP upon using them, reduced potency (200 or so each, except Indom, that one 100-150 only), using any of them grant a "Ruin 4" stack

Lustrate (Rework): Becomes a 300 potency shield instead of heal, lets call it "Aethershield", stacks with all the other Sch Shields, gives 10 Fey gauge same recast time as now

Aetherflow (Rework): Gives 3 Aetherflow charges to use on the heals, restores 10% MP, gives 10 Fey gauge, upon reuse grants "Ruin 4" stacks equal to the amount of not used Aetherflow Stacks

Recitation: Can now be used on Lustrate, cannot be used out of combat.

TACTICS:

Emergency Tactics (Rework): Is now a stance, works on Galvanize, Catalyze and Aethershield

Deployment Tactics: Can deploy Aethershield too, when the target is affected by both Galvanize and Aethershield only deploys the one whose mitgation equals the highest HP value.

FAIRY STUFF:

General Changes: All fairy skills would work like ogcd egi assault, changing depending which one is on the field. All their potencies would be increased and any fairy related heal would cost fairy gauge. When I say real potency I mean after the pet scaling calculation.

Embrace/Seraphic Veil: Not changed

Fairy Skill 1 (Eos), Whispering Dawn (Rework): Regen real potency increases up to 600, gives 10% healing buff to spells and abilities, 1m cd, cost 10 fairy gauge

Fairy Skill 1 (Selene): Scholoton (NEW): 300 potency AoE Shield (Aethershield) + 10% damage mitigation + movement speed buff. 1m cd, cost 10 fairy gauge

Fairy Skill 2 (Eos), Fey Blessing (Rework): 250 real potency AoE heal + 500 total potency of AoE regen, 90s cd, cost 20 fairy gauge

Fairy Skill 2 (Selene), Fey Gift (NEW): 450 real potency AoE heal + 200 AoE Shield (Aethershield), 90s cd, cost 20 fairy gauge

Fey Illumination: Removed

Fey Switch (NEW): Gives 10 fairy gauge, changes one fairy for the other and reset their cooldowns, ogcd, 120s cd

Dissipation: Removed

Summon Seraph (Rework): Costs 20 Fairy gauge, Summons Seraph and give 6 seraphic veil stacks, every use of seraphic veil would use one stack, when the number of stacks reaches 0 seraph is unsummoned, effect ends upon reuse. 120s cd (Can't use fairy skill 2, use the fairy skill 1 of the fairy that was on field before its summoning)

Consolation: Real potency increased up to 325 (Around 460 in the tooltips)

Fey Union (Rework): Cost 20 fairy gauge. Immediately designate a party member and gain 10 “fairy tether”stacks, every embrace/seraphic veil used under this effect will be targeted to the designated party member and consume 1 “fairy tether” stack, increases potency of pet’s healing magic by 50%. Effect ends upon reuse, recast time is reduced by 18s for each not used “fairy tether” stack. 180s cd.

As you can guess the gameplay woudn't be especially hard, Sch's dps would be tied to dot and cd management while using Aetherflow as engine to get stronger actions both in the dps and heal side.

Would this be perfect? Not at all, the dps side could be expanded further, during the opener Sch would have to heal spam to get 3 ruin 4 stacks in the burst window and fairy responsiveness would need to be improved to name a few weak points but I think it would be far better than what we have now.

Honestly I would love if any of you share any ideas you have on how to improve this or rework sch in any way, maybe with a bit of luck someone listen us.

[ItMe]

Nice and constructive idea OP~



Seems to me that a lotta jobs in FF14 don't want to sit with a capped meter or they lose out in some way.

DRK doesn't wanna blood to cap or it starts losing potential uses of delirium.

MCH doesn't want battery to stay capped or it'll start leaving Queen juice on the table.

Etc.

But SCH doesn't have an issue with it's fairy gauge maxing out. And especially since other jobs don't really play like that it feels really at odds with the rest of the game. Sure, you lose out on some future healing, but, like, if you didn't have a need or a chance to heap you're just venting your meter for the sake of it so it's better to just keep the points handy.
(Not to mention it can be hard to use Fey Union to heal cuts and scrapes and keep the meter from capping when
A.) Your fairy does extra healing you can't control
B.) It's an oGCD and SCH has a jank weave game)

I think it would be nice and nifty if either

- We got another use or two for the Fey gauge.
Maybe SCH could finally get an instant cast shield?
How about a move that refreshes the duration of apied shields?

- We had a trait that buffed SCH for having meter. That way it doesn't feel weird to have a resource we're just sitting on.
(Thinking Giovanna from Guilty Gear Strive)

[Szylver]

Like the idea, but somethings i don't.
- Hate switching between Eos and Selene. Leave them like egi Glamours and add more colors.
- If the devs wanna make jobs more accesible IMO they should remove the fairy commands and make that the fairy has more range and just follow us. tbh using place/heel is not pet managment.
- I don't like Dissipation and removing my fairy from the field, so i wish we can summon Seraph to help EOS with more potent healing, AOE esuna, shields and regen.
- Remove fairy aggro.

[Gemina]

This seems less of a rework and more like buffing SCH to the moon. I know you said ShB rework, but jeez. xD

[WaxSw]

This seems less of a rework and more like buffing SCH to the moon. I know you said ShB rework, but jeez. xD

Take the potencies and cd times and switch it however you feel is best, the gameplay idea of having aetherflow as baseline and fairies (not just eos) as the powerful heals + more dots and ruin 4 is the only really important thing , idm if numbers later on make sch the lowest rdps/hps healer of the game

[ty_taurus]

I've been pondering on a real SCH rework myself. This was kind what I came up with...

GCD Healing:
Physick: 400 Potency Heal. 1.5 second cast time - 400 MP
Additional - Healing increases by 50% on allies with Galvanize or Catalyze
Adloquium: 500 Potency Galvanize barrier. 2 second cast time - 1000 MP
Additional - If Galvanize is broken, gain 1 Aetherflow
Succor: 280 Potency Catalyze barrier. 2 second cast time - 1000 MP
Resurrection: Resurrects target to a weakened state - 2400 MP

GCD DPS:
Broil V: 280 Potency attack. 1.5 second cast time - 400 MP
Biolysis: 70 Potency damage over time (30 seconds). Instant cast - 400 MP
Additional - Does not stack with Miasmolysis.
Miasmolysis: 70 Potency damage over time (30 seconds). Instant cast - 400 MP
Additional - Does not stack with Biolysis.
Noxicon: Changes between 3 spells depending on if the target has Biolysis, Miasmolysis, or both.
(On Biolysis) Scourge: - 70 Potency damage over time (60 seconds). Instant cast - 800 MP
(On Miasmolysis) Surpression: Places 5 stacks of Supression on the target. 2.5 second cast - 800 MP
Additional - Your Spells detonate Surpression dealing a 100 Potency attack.
(If Both) Apocalypse: 280 Potency attack to all enemies in range. Instant cast - 800 MP
Additional - Places Noxicon on a 15 second cooldown.
Art of War II: 180 Potency attack to all nearby enemies. Instant cast - 600 MP
Aetherologica: 240 Potency attack. Instant cast - 400 MP
Additional - Generates 10 Fey Gauge

Aetherflow Actions:
Meltdown: 280 Potency line AoE - 5 second recast
Rasp: 30 Potency damage over time (45 seconds) - 5 second recast
Shadowflare: 70 Potency damage over time in a designated area (15 seconds) - 45 second recast
Excogitation: If target ally's HP drops below 50% or effect expires, 800 Potency heal (45 seconds) - 45 second recast
Indomitability: 400 Potency heal to all nearby party members - 15 second recast

Faerie Actions:
Faeries have 4 buttons that change depending on the current pet. Faerie actions do not share a cooldown. Dawn's Embrace, Dusk's Spark, and Seraphic Veil default to being used automatically but can be manually cast after using Heel.

Summon Eos: Summons Eos and dismisses Selene. - OGCD 3 second recast
Additional - Shares a recast timer with Summon Selene
Summon Selene: Summons Selene and dismisses Eos - OGCD 3 second recast
Additional - Shares a recast timer with Summon Eos
Summon Seraph: Summons Seraph and dismisses Eos or Selene - OGCD 120 second recast - Consumes 50 Fey Gauge
Equinox: 120 Potency barrier to all nearby party members and swaps between Eos and Selene - OGCD 30 second recast - 2 charges

Eos
Dawn's Embrace: 250 Potency heal. - 3 second recast - Consumes 5 Fey Gauge
Fey Lustrate: 800 Potency heal - 3 second recast - Consumes 20 Fey Gauge
Fey Blessing: 500 Potency heal for all nearby party members - 30 second recast - Consumes 20 Fey Gauge
Fey Illumination: Increases healing received by 10% and decreases magic damage taken by 5% (20 seconds) - 120 second recast - No Fey Gauge cost

Selene
Dusk's Spark: Blinds an enemy (8 seconds) - 3 second recast - Generates 5 Fey Gauge
Fey Tricks: Spreads DoTs to nearby enemies & inflicts Toad (8 seconds) - 15 second recast - No Fey Gauge Cost
Additional - Allows Biolysis and Miasmolysis to stack while spreading.
Fey Gift: Allows all party members to detonate Supression stacks (12 seconds) - 90 second recast - Generates 20 Fey Gauge
Fey Hex: Increases the rate at which target takes critical hits by 10% (15 seconds) - 120 second recast - No Fey Gauge Cost

Seraph
Seraphic Veil: 200 Potency heal & barrier - 3 second recast - No Fey Gauge Cost
Elysium: 800 Potency heal - 15 second recast - No Fey Gauge Cost
Additional - If the target is KOed, resurrects them to a weakened state and heals them
Consolation: 300 Potency heal & Barrier to all nearby allies - 30 second recast - 2 charges - No Fey Gauge Cost
Angel's Light: Generates 3 Aetherflow - 30 second recast - No Fey Gauge Cost

Other Actions:

Aetherflow: Restores 10% of MP and Generates 3 Aetherflow - OGCD 60 second recast
Additional - Can only be executed in combat
Emergency Tactics: The next cast of Adloquium or Succor heals instead of barriers. - OGCD 5 second recast
Deployment Tactics: Spreads Galvanize and Assuage to all nearby allies - OGCD - 120 second recast
Recitation: Allows the next use of Adloquium, Succor, Excogitation, or Indomitability are cast without consuming resources and while ensuring critical heal or critical barrier - OGCD 90 second recast
Assuage: 80 Potency barrier on one ally (20s) - OGCD 90 second recast
Additional - Assuage barrier does not get consumed when attacked and subtracts damage taken by its value for the duration of the effect.
Float: Decreases damage taken for self and ally party members by 20% (15 seconds) - OGCD 180 second recast
Additional - Also causes ground-targeting AoEs to always miss (such as orange AoEs).

[Gemina]

Take the potencies and cd times and switch it however you feel is best, the gameplay idea of having aetherflow as baseline and fairies (not just eos) as the powerful heals + more dots and ruin 4 is the only really important thing , idm if numbers later on make sch the lowest rdps/hps healer of the game

It's the multiple DoTs and Ruin 4 that are the main things making me say, "Jeez". There's just too much HW/SB SCH (perhaps ACN) incorporated into that kit, and just feels like a blast to the past. But as I said before, I understand that this is a ShB rework, and not really a rework going forward. Nothing wrong with having some fun with some ideas, and there is some stuff in that kit that I really like.

However, the rework I envision nukes probably about 70% of that kit. They would obviously retain the bare essentials for a barrier healer, and still have Lily; I don't even know if they would still have Aetherflow after I cocoon it. At least not in its current state. I would introduce entirely new mechanics to this job that would likely involve the SCH getting something when/if their shields are broken. Shields that release a heal when broken (think a less potent version of excog, but with mitigation tied to it) can most certainly be a thing as well. The Fey gauge would get reworked as well, I am just not sure how this resource will be built or spent. I just know that I would like the skills tied to it to be somehow linked to Lily, and Lily would no longer function as a pet, but a familiar.

Of course they would get some damage abilities. Anywhere from 6-8 of them AAMOF, and they would be very satisfying to use. One such ability I thought of is a DoT that the SCH applies and after inflicting an enemy with it they can also increase the potency of damage it does up to a max. While I know Yoshi leaned towards not giving healers this kind of responsibility it actually isn't a rotation. It is simply a mech where the SCH doesn't just cast a DoT and forget about it until the timer is about to expire; they can actually increase its potency by casting it again while the enemy is inflicted with it; or augmenting it somehow to give it that effect.

That is how I am thinking when it comes to SCH changes. I want absolutely nothing to do with SCH in its current or previous states. So long as they retain their fairy and shields, their identity remains intact.

[Anhra]

Overall, i like the direction this Idea goes, but some changes, i think should be approached a bit different.

-Physick: increased Potency and 2,5sec cast time and it has now its own Cooldown with 20-30Seconds (basically doing Emergency Tactics Job as single target Heal)

-Emergency Tactics: turns one single target Heal/Shield into a AoE (Cooldown should be arround the same as Physick, maybe even longer)

-Chain Stratagem should allow something more than just a unsignificant crit buff, maybe something like being a marker for when you Mark Target A with it and Attack Target B with a single attack, Target A gets also hit by the single target effect.

-Bane: I think a better approach on this would be if the effect would explode already existing DoTs on the target for the remaining duration and then apply the unique DoT that follows afterwards.

-Art of War: should get a additional effect, something like bind or knockback for example.

[WaxSw]

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Its true it has a lot throwbacks of older iteration and mechanics, I dont know how bad the coding of this game is so I thought that the best way to get realistic changes was refurbishing older already coded mechanics. It is one of the reasons why I didnt add any Dot changing mechanic as much as I liked them (outside bane) because I dont know if its even possible to code in game. I really like the idea of having returns for using shield and I hope the devs add it somewhere in the future tho

-Physick: increased Potency and 2,5sec cast time and it has now its own Cooldown with 20-30Seconds (basically doing Emergency Tactics Job as single target Heal)

-Emergency Tactics: turns one single target Heal/Shield into a AoE (Cooldown should be arround the same as Physick, maybe even longer)

-Bane: I think a better approach on this would be if the effect would explode already existing DoTs on the target for the remaining duration and then apply the unique DoT that follows afterwards.

-Art of War: should get a additional effect, something like bind or knockback for example.

The thing with physick and ET is to make Sch a healer that without having to use ogcd heals can reliably heal doom like mechanics, thats why its a stance and there isnt a timer anywhere because you dont really know how much gcd heals you may need. The ideas you propose for physick and ET for example can make Sch struggle to heal living dead for example, on top of that, now that sch has shield in its ogcds actions ET would make sure you can get 100% of the heal from them, otherwise heals like lustrate would be meaningless to a target that has recived scholoton and the job would flow worse, at least in my opinion.

For Art of war I think anything movement related would make it worse, knockback would make the melee AoE worse as they would miss targets in dungeons and in wall to walls a bind would break the pull since enemies woudnt be able to follow the tank, I agree that maybe a bit more could be added tho

And really like the idea of Bane however idk if something like that is possible with the code this game has.

[Gemina]

Its true it has a lot throwbacks of older iteration and mechanics, I dont know how bad the coding of this game is so I thought that the best way to get realistic changes was refurbishing older already coded mechanics. It is one of the reasons why I didnt add any Dot changing mechanic as much as I liked them (outside bane) because I dont know if its even possible to code in game. I really like the idea of having returns for using shield and I hope the devs add it somewhere in the future tho.

I wouldn't worry about the spaghetti code. It's not the 10 commandments. It's all about their willingness to give SCH the attention it needs. A lot of past and present iterations of SCH mechanics retain a lot of ARR concepts that are extremely outdated. Things like Deployment and Emergency Tactics only serve to make SCH less efficient instead of enhance their kit and gameplay. The same goes for Lily acting as middleman to abilities SCH needs quick access to. There are just too many issues to try and tackle them individually, or as a unit.

SCH is like an old car that is still reasonably reliable to get you from point A to point B; but the AC doesn't work, and the heater takes forever to defrost the windshield. It's time to ditch the beater and just get a new car.