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    Boizinho's Avatar
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    Cora Eudestand
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    Malboro
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    I'd see Cardia as sort of the Sage Embrace, except better because 20 more potency that you can funnel into the target of your choice, rewards you for doing damage and not tied to a fairy that you snack on periodically.
    When you factor in pet scaling, it's quite a bit more than 20 potency. It's actually more like 70-80. Sage effectively has "Whispering Dawn, but 30% stronger" as well for the same reason.

    I know this could be considered part of "not tied to a fairy" but I just wanted to drive home the point. It seems like instead of 2 shield healers and 2 pure healers, the real dichotomy here is 2 gimped healers and 2 direct upgrades. We have Diurnal AST, worse Diurnal AST, Sage, and worse Sage.
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    Liam Harper
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    Zodiark
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Boizinho View Post
    When you factor in pet scaling, it's quite a bit more than 20 potency. It's actually more like 70-80. Sage effectively has "Whispering Dawn, but 30% stronger" as well for the same reason.
    That's a good point. Wow. It's worse than I thought and I already thought it was rather bad.
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    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    Sargatanas
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Boizinho View Post
    When you factor in pet scaling, it's quite a bit more than 20 potency. It's actually more like 70-80. Sage effectively has "Whispering Dawn, but 30% stronger" as well for the same reason.
    Where are you getting these potencies?
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    Myifee Asurai
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    Behemoth
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    I'm quite happy that they went the "DPS for healing" route here.

    I'm not really impressed by the skills' appearances, but that's superficial. I do like me that charged laser, though.
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    Avarnia Corthal
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    Adamantoise
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Honestly, its just proof they have the ability to make a new and interesting healer, but they choose not to.
    Given other statements, they don't care about healers, and they don't care about veteran player's opinions, instead preferring to make depth about puddle deep.

    Holy shit though button 19

    Edit: just realised, it confirmed my suspicion. This healer is made out of chunks of the other 3. Its got scholars aetherflow ffs
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    Last edited by Recon1o6; 09-18-2021 at 10:12 PM.

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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    For being a "shield" healer I'm seeing a LOT of regen abilities. I don't see a single shield heal on that list.

    And that's bad news because that completely defeats the point of the Regen / Shield Dichotomy.
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 09-18-2021 at 10:20 PM.

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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    The shields might potentially not be included or it has some job mechanic that modifies them into shields. But yes, so far it looks like it's pulling double duty with regen and mitigation instead of shields
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    Liam Harper
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    White Mage Lv 90
    I'm baffled what the point of this whole "Regen/Shield" thing was when so far they've done almost nothing to further differentiate between the two. All it will serve is ingraining bad mindsets in the playerbase by adding a likely unnecessary divide in PF with the added categories, sort of like the "must play Noct with a WHM" myth inexperienced players latched onto, except now the Devs have officially stated it to make it even worse.

    Sage, like SCH is a Pure Healer with a few shields/mitigation in the toolkit.

    They didn't build on shields or do any reworks or try to make it a proactive playstyle. Just slapped a misleading label on that can be applied in Party Finder and called it a day.
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    Malto Thoris
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    Behemoth
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Someone was able to make a more detailed look into the SGE spells so just adding it right here and hopefully it can clear any other confusion. That being said, same thing that the numbers are tentative. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...9_AhLrlGVx_nUQ
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    Malto Thoris
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    Behemoth
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Here's's yet another condensed version of the the Sage summary.


    It's kinda funny seeing it like this. For the most part you could mistaken it as a "Pure" healer with how the developers do it. Also the fact that WHM may have three barriers now also muddles things again. 2 charges for divine bension and now what seems to be the replacement for Fluid Aura.
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