Jobs Moving Forward

[Lecru]

So by now most of us have watched the trailer and the changes being made. I have a few SCH friends, my GF included, who are completely gutted by the SCH changes. So. I'm here to say this to Square. If such dire changes are required to implement NEW classes into the game (Looking at you Sage). We don't ALWAYS NEED new classes for expansions. The same amount of people will play for the content. But if you're having forcefully change classes to be put into two pools. Don't make new classes of that type. Perhaps make supportive DPS classes to match the needs of whatever they are supporting. Emphasize RDM to maybe support heal more if the need arises. Etc. Taking away core aspects of the current healers, splitting them into two separate groups, then more or less gutting or taking away what makes them unique in themselves though just to make a new fancy class seems a bit over the top. Will people still play SCH? I'm sure. But going forward. We don't NEED new classes to enjoy things. It's not a make or break. Keep that in mind please.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

So by now most of us have watched the trailer and the changes being made. I have a few SCH friends, my GF included, who are completely gutted by the SCH changes. So. I'm here to say this to Square. If such dire changes are required to implement NEW classes into the game (Looking at you Sage). We don't ALWAYS NEED new classes for expansions. The same amount of people will play for the content. But if you're having forcefully change classes to be put into two pools. Don't make new classes of that type. Perhaps make supportive DPS classes to match the needs of whatever they are supporting. Emphasize RDM to maybe support heal more if the need arises. Etc. Taking away core aspects of the current healers, splitting them into two separate groups, then more or less gutting or taking away what makes them unique in themselves though just to make a new fancy class seems a bit over the top. Will people still play SCH? I'm sure. But going forward. We don't NEED new classes to enjoy things. It's not a make or break. Keep that in mind please.

People have complained for 2 expansions that a new healer wasn't added.

So they added one. And they had to make them fit within the archetypes.

Sure, SCH needs work, and it not getting any love is upsetting, but to just.. ask for no new jobs when that is a major draw to expansions is just silly...

[Lecru]

People have complained for 2 expansions that a new healer wasn't added.

So they added one. And they had to make them fit within the archetypes.

Sure, SCH needs work, and it not getting any love is upsetting, but to just.. ask for no new jobs when that is a major draw to expansions is just silly...

That's great. And now they HAVE added one and everyone is losing their collective shit because SCH was destroyed in the process. So the customer doesn't always knwo what's best. This should teach them.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

That's great. And now they HAVE added one and everyone is losing their collective shit because SCH was destroyed in the process. So the customer doesn't always knwo what's best. This should teach them.

People lost their collective shit over SAM potencies when it was added, which caused SE to buff every other melee, which made SAM pretty much ignorable until shortly after 5.0.

People lose their shit over everything.

[Fabbro]

Obsession with balancing kills every MMO. People just need to play what they like and what is fun to them, no matter the balancing, how hard or how easy, really. And SE should know better than ever focusing into balancing over identity and individual class actions customization. Game is already too streamlined in such aspects and way too easy as is. Developers should really stop caring for casual players and actually make the combat in the game way more complex and harder, respecting the players intelligence and not treating everyone as kids and/or adolescents. I really wish FFXIV was more "adult focused" gameplay and combat wise (not being afraid to be a true hardcore MMO with ever more complex combat mechanics and only getting harder and harder. Currently, almost everything outside extremes and savages is just way, way, way, too easy, and an MMO shouldn't be like that, quite the opposite).

[Garnix]

Obsession with balancing kills every MMO. People just need to play what they like and what is fun to them, no matter the balancing, how hard or how easy, really. And SE should know better than ever focusing into balancing over identity and individual class actions customization. Game is already too streamlined in such aspects and way too easy as is. Developers should really stop caring for casual players and actually make the combat in the game way more complex and harder, respecting the players intelligence and not treating everyone as kids and/or adolescents. I really wish FFXIV was more "adult focused" gameplay and combat wise (not being afraid to be a true hardcore MMO with ever more complex combat mechanics and only getting harder and harder. Currently, almost everything outside extremes and savages is just way, way, way, too easy, and an MMO shouldn't be like that, quite the opposite).

Do you realize that a major portion of the casual players are adult who just want to relax when they play?...The game being streamlined is specifically for adults who don't have dozens of hours to hit a dummy and learn a rotation.
Also...Learning a complex rotation has nothing to do with intelligence. It just has to do with how much time you are willing to put into learning it in your muscle memory.
Figuring out the rotations involves a lot more intelligence. And guess what? People just go on the balance discord because figuring it out themselves is too difficult.
Figuring out the fights involves a lot more intelligence too. And guess what? People just go on youtube or whatever and watch or read a guide.
Extreme and savage being the only difficult things is exactly how it should be for most adult players. (that said, there should be more end-game difficult content)

Patience/time and intelligence are completely different things.

[Deceptus]

People have complained for 2 expansions that a new healer wasn't added.

So they added one. And they had to make them fit within the archetypes.

Sure, SCH needs work, and it not getting any love is upsetting, but to just.. ask for no new jobs when that is a major draw to expansions is just silly...

What archetype? Regen vs Shields? Because Sage (a "shield" healer) has more Regens in it's kit than actual Shields.

I know SCH only has 2 Shields (and 1 pet shield) but that just shows the whole Regen / Shield dichtotomy is bullsh!t.

It has no basis in the actual gameplay.

[Jeeqbit]

What archetype? Because Sage has more Regens in it's kit than Shields.

I know SCH only has 2 Shields (and 1 pet shield) but that just shows the whole Regen / Shield dichtotomy is bullsh!t.

It has no basis in the actual gameplay.

This is a good point. Right now you can play scholar as a pure healer other than when Seraph is out and I personally do because using shields means spending a GCD on something other than damage.

Since we were told Scholar didn't really need any changes, it means these "shield healers" can continue to be played as pure healers if we prefer.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

This is a good point. Right now you can play scholar as a pure healer other than when Seraph is out and I personally do because using shields means spending a GCD on something other than damage.

Since we were told Scholar didn't really need any changes, it means these "shield healers" can continue to be played as pure healers if we prefer.

Or it's entirely possible that some of the kit changed and they just didn't talk about it? Who knows...

[Minsue]

idk sch looks fine not as flashy as many others but if it does it's job well doesn't need to be flashy honestly it seems way worse since it's counterpart got a huge rework lets see how it plays doesn't have to be drastice changes to be a good class or super duper flashy.