Jobs Moving Forward

[Rae88]

You can already do damage while healing someone with a macro like this.

/action "Stone" <t>
/action "Stone" <tt>

You can do the reverse and heal someone while a boss is your target and a player is your focus target.

/action "Cure" <t>
/action "Cure" <f>
/action "Cure" <0>

You could also make these do the last target with <lt> or you can make it heal the main tank with <tt>.

It seems pointless for this to be presented as a unique feature of Sage.

No. Not damage while healing someone, "attack an enemy while healing a designated target simultaneously". This raises the possibility that, because these things happen simultaneously, that sage heals marked players through doing damage to an enemy. Which is how Discipline Priest heals in WoW.

And if that's the case Sage is automatically an incredible breath of fresh air in what has been a stale healing environment for years.

I'm straight up hoping Yoshi-P lifted Discipline Priest from WoW and plonked it right into FFXIV.

[Kes13a]

No. Not damage while healing someone, "attack an enemy while healing a designated target simultaneously". This raises the possibility that, because these things happen simultaneously, that sage heals marked players through doing damage to an enemy. Which is how Discipline Priest heals in WoW.

And if that's the case Sage is automatically an incredible breath of fresh air in what has been a stale healing environment for years.

I'm straight up hoping Yoshi-P lifted Discipline Priest from WoW and plonked it right into FFXIV.

basically gives all those people wanting to dps over heal, full license to now. guess they got their faster queue times back.

[Rosenstrauch]

No. Not damage while healing someone, "attack an enemy while healing a designated target simultaneously". This raises the possibility that, because these things happen simultaneously, that sage heals marked players through doing damage to an enemy. Which is how Discipline Priest heals in WoW.

And if that's the case Sage is automatically an incredible breath of fresh air in what has been a stale healing environment for years.

I'm straight up hoping Yoshi-P lifted Discipline Priest from WoW and plonked it right into FFXIV.

Well, this is promising, lol. Maybe they can copy Brewmaster Monk's deferred damage mechanic for a tank Job, too. I'd like that, at least.

[Tint]

No. Not damage while healing someone, "attack an enemy while healing a designated target simultaneously". This raises the possibility that, because these things happen simultaneously, that sage heals marked players through doing damage to an enemy. Which is how Discipline Priest heals in WoW.

And if that's the case Sage is automatically an incredible breath of fresh air in what has been a stale healing environment for years.

I'm straight up hoping Yoshi-P lifted Discipline Priest from WoW and plonked it right into FFXIV.

I think they just wanted to mimic the fairy in some way which keeps healing while the SCH does dps. Easier to balance than the problems they had with Noct AST vs SCH.

[Kes13a]

how was SCH gutted.. exactly?

sch was a barrier healer before, what were they going to add to enhance that? are they receiving a complete rework like smn, nope, but so what? I have not had anyone able to point out how they were "so broken". Most of the people complaining are the same people who did so when SCH lost many of teh damage abilities that allowed people to essentially queue faster because they wanted to dps instead of heal, well, now you have SGE for that.

we havent even PLAYED it yet.. so how a group is losing its collective minds over something thats apparently been destroyed when they have lost nothing is amazing.

[Reksanden]

how was SCH gutted.. exactly?

sch was a barrier healer before, what were they going to add to enhance that? are they receiving a complete rework like smn, nope, but so what? I have not had anyone able to point out how they were "so broken". Most of the people complaining are the same people who did so when SCH lost many of teh damage abilities that allowed people to essentially queue faster because they wanted to dps instead of heal, well, now you have SGE for that.

we havent even PLAYED it yet.. so how a group is losing its collective minds over something thats apparently been destroyed when they have lost nothing is amazing.

Nothing amazingly new was shown, and with no other hard info to back it, it feels like a slap in the face to them.

... And hurt people react accordingly. The general consensus will change as we know more.

It doesn't address the "spam one damage spell" complaint, of course, so it's likely many folks will be drawn to Sage's "many attacks, heal while attacking" allure.

[Kes13a]

Nothing amazingly new was shown, and with no other hard info to back it, it feels like a slap in the face to them.

... And hurt people react accordingly. The general consensus will change as we know more.

It doesn't address the "spam one damage spell" complaint, of course, so it's likely many folks will be drawn to Sage's "many attacks, heal while attacking" allure.

yeah I get that it didnt get a whole closet full of cool new spells.. but.. why would it? we have no clue what other QoL adjustments may have been made since they didnt address ALL the changes.

why arent people saying how WHM was so hard done by? I lost a spell (which I never ever used anyway) and gained some other meh thing, where are the dirges for death of WHM?

no, I dont think WHM is dying now am I giving it up. it just hilarious that people are wailing over something that I havent seen as in a horrible place. (teh SCH mains I know arent crying over their cereal this morning from what I know)

[Semirhage]

yeah I get that it didnt get a whole closet full of cool new spells.. but.. why would it? we have no clue what other QoL adjustments may have been made since they didnt address ALL the changes.

why arent people saying how WHM was so hard done by? I lost a spell (which I never ever used anyway) and gained some other meh thing, where are the dirges for death of WHM?

no, I dont think WHM is dying now am I giving it up. it just hilarious that people are wailing over something that I havent seen as in a horrible place. (teh SCH mains I know arent crying over their cereal this morning from what I know)

I have no idea why people aren't complaining about WHM. It looks like Endwalker is going to be more Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare.......such engaging gameplay, wow. How fun.

[Minsue]

because sch is tied to smn and smn got hands down the biggest boon so it's like setting someone who kinda small trophy next to someone who got a massive one both are nice but one looks like crud next to the other.

[BaconBits]

how was SCH gutted.. exactly?

sch was a barrier healer before, what were they going to add to enhance that? are they receiving a complete rework like smn, nope, but so what? I have not had anyone able to point out how they were "so broken". Most of the people complaining are the same people who did so when SCH lost many of teh damage abilities that allowed people to essentially queue faster because they wanted to dps instead of heal, well, now you have SGE for that.

we havent even PLAYED it yet.. so how a group is losing its collective minds over something thats apparently been destroyed when they have lost nothing is amazing.

Except Scholar has more direct heals and regens than it does shields? The only shields it has are Adlo and Succor's Galvanize, Critlo's Catalyze, and Seraph's Consolation. Meanwhile the fairy is a permanent regen (that tends to prioritize whoever's closest to it instead of whoever actually needs healing), Whispering Dawn is an off global party-wide regen, Fey Union is a regen directed towards a single target that lasts as long as you still have Fairy Gauge leftover, and Sacred Soil gains a regen trait at level 78 along with its 10% defense buff. Lustrate is an on demand direct heal with no inherent cooldown beyond waiting for more Aetherflow stacks, and Excogitation is a direct heal that activates whenever the target reaches 50% hp or when the timer for it runs out. Indomitability is a direct party-wide heal that can be paired with Recitation to guarantee a critical heal that won't use up an aetherflow charge, and Fey Blessing is another aoe heal that is more limited by it having a cooldown than being attached to the Fairy gauge. Emergency Tactics can even be used to turn Adlo and Succor into direct heals, and Physick is also a direct heal but lol at anyone that uses Physick for anything other than low-level dungeons and "Dear God I have no Aetherflow charges, all my Fairy abilities are on cooldown, and I can't cast an Adlo in time."

Instead of addressing stuff like Dissipation locking you out of all your Fairy abilities while only buffing your healing spells and not your Aetherflow abilities, and Summon Seraph locking you out of Fey Blessing and Fey Union while also having a 5 second animation lock before it can even execute anything, they gave Scholars a combat peloton and called it a day. That's not even getting into the Fairy ghosting abilities and being unable to make Eos prioritize one target instead of Embracing every player that gets a minor scratch.

So yeah, I can understand why Scholars are miffed, and rightfully so.