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Thread: No love for Sch

  1. #11
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    As a SCH main, I can't hide my disappointment with the in-combat sprint. *At least its a damage reduction as well?* But its odd. Could help for places like Savage Titan where you need to hide behind rock, but then run back to another rock. Something like that? /shrug? - It doesn't cost Aetherflow either so its basically a moving Sacred Soil w/out regen.

    But Hum, If Excog is AOE heal that would be amazing. Art of War 2 looks good. Maybe tactical deployment got a buff. Who knows. But it certainly lacked the "flashy" from the other healers.

    I also didn't see any new abilities costing aetherflow - so It will be interesting /good .

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    Also Summoner making me want to play it again. FFXI inner main calling for me but SCH is not dead. It's just they know its a strong class as it is now.
    We've been nerfed so many times. That the fact that they are making DPS - Broil - basically - cast times reduced is nice change.

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    Edit:
    They added speed run to boss. Mobs no longer exp gain. SCH is now good for speed run. ( =D )
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    Last edited by Mirakumi; 09-18-2021 at 03:51 PM.

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    Oneiron Fuchs
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    im so disappointed, there is no way to describe it.
    i'ts the very first time I'm not going to lvl up scholar first as my main in this expansion (since ARR). sage looks better in ! every ! single ! way ! possible !.
    scholar is a mess of an identity, first it gets ripped off of all it's core abilities of arcanist, dumbed down in it's rotation and all the cool stuff gets pushed to summoner and now this underwhelming presentation of "new" skills.
    can't say how disappointed I am, there is job bias in the dev team - and it shows so much.


    I'm glad sage turned out this good at least, I love everything about it, from it's design, to the skills and I absolutely love the sound effects !! never looking back until scholar gets the attention it needs so much!
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    Last edited by Fukuro; 09-18-2021 at 06:12 PM.

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    Avalen Koma
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    The presentation for SCH was definitely lack luster but I'm making the heavily assumption that SCH is just shifting to a more pure Shield healer in a similar capacity that WHM is a better for prog mentality but not a post prog meta pick.

    My gripe is more with the fixes SCH inherently needs in its kit from Pet Skill delay, to dissipation overwriting Pet placement (stay positioning) and a lack of some "action" on the job. Broil spam to Energy Drain is not exactly a fleshed out experience. So idk, Sage definitely looks strong coming out which I'm happy for just sad it comes at the expense of seemingly all of the SCH QoL stuff.

    You never know but the lack of them saying any noticeable change was extremely telling.
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    [QUOTE=Otal;5660602]I think it can't be helped that there aren't many changes in SCH, but my friends are shocked at the way the producer said, "This is all we have".
    My friend was really looking forward to it, but now she's losing her energy.
    Couldn't the producer have said it in a more gentle way?


    So one day Yoshi P was playing on his black mage and when he was just about to sneak in another Fire 4 cast before his timer ran out, a scholar rescued him and he dropped enochian. So now he hates scholars.

    That’s the explanation I’m going with.
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    this is not the first expansion they do this to sch unfortunately ,
    still sch was the first class i ever main when i started playing this game so even if it's the worst healer now i will still be maining it sadly but yeah this is really sad (
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    I started playing SCH 4 days ago.






    I already want to quit it but have no other healer leveled...
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    I know that in terms of how much each job makes you go "oooh! Ahhhh! Pretty!", Scholar was at the bottom. But one thing I don't see being picked up on much is the instant response of the fairy. That's something people were asking for right? Fey Blessing is pretty weak, but they could have (hopefully have) buffed it. With healers shifting into a clear "Main healer / main shielder" subtype (which worked beautifully in 2.X I should add), that should be a promising thing for SCH. SCH excelled when it was focussed more on shielding instead of trying to be the weird hybrid it is now that stands in AST's shadow (allegedly...even if it is the weakest healer it's still pretty good and it's all relative). Surely its healing and shielding skills will be refitted to a satisfying state? They don't need new heals with over the top green explosions to dazzle you in a trailer, they already have countless forms of heals, just need to rebalance each one. And if they're as satisfying as they were in ARR and HW, then great.

    I mean, look at PLD in the trailer. Everyone's going "HOLY *****TTTTTT" in their reaction videos at the Confiteor combo. But that's literally all it got, except like a prettier Sheltron. In terms of gameplay, you're just going to be, presumably, pressing the same button 4 times in a row when you reach that part of your rotation, before it's old news again. Samurai, it wasn't super different or impressive to watch, but the QoL we know it did get is actually really good. Sch is likely to be like that, no?

    Edit: I suppose I'm saying, not every job that's disatisfactory needs to be burnt to the ground like SMN and MCH; and especially in the case of healers, you're not going to be able to feel the nuance of how their kit feels recontextualised with the new healer dichotomy, even if the skills at their core are the same.
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    Last edited by Aeliott; 09-19-2021 at 04:58 AM.

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    The biggest thing I want for Scholar is bringing Selene back properly. She shouldn't just be an Eos recolor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotaname1 View Post
    I started playing SCH 4 days ago.






    I already want to quit it but have no other healer leveled...
    Just pick up WHM.. or Sage when EW drops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanayumi View Post
    For those that want to see the Sch changes that it so badly needs, simply do not play Sch. Devs generally take a look the numbers when complaints are made...
    With SCH tied to SMN and people LOVING SMN right now, those metrics are going to be skewed pretty badly if people level as a SMN and never touch their SCH.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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