"There wasn't much we could really do with SCH"

[Mortex]

I love how people missing the other buff the movement skill does

It increase players movement speed AND gives them damage reduction, this is huge also the fairy AI got changed abit (was said so today in the LL that was released today) so technically scholar can just dump this onto the tank, to reduce the tank damage taken consently, so u would "ignore" the speed boost and most likely be using it for the "damage reduction" buff

So scholar may got more QoL changes to make it function better since the pet is the main problem of the job role,

It’s not like we gonna have a raid tier were meeles can reduce magic dmg by 5 % and I’m pretty sure the dmg reduce you get form the move speed buffs is either just 10 or 5 % so it’s not even worth too talk about that. And I’m also pretty sure meeles still have a shorter cool down on feint then sch is gonna have on this useless ability.

[Ultaniku]

The phrasing they used, boiling it down to not knowing what to do with the job, is the most upsetting part. There are absolutely things they can do with scholar, and they actually may have done some things they didn’t show. The phrasing was definitely a big issue.

[Mindiori]

It's not so much them not knowing what to do (theory) its not knowing what to do (reality) - since the whole game has been adjusted to the whims of the mentally handicapped. Those that hide behind the casual moniker, yet are really just self-entitled and lazy. Yeah, I don't really have any issues being blunt about it. That should be evident by now.

Because of the changes, its been a while since I took the game seriously. Had numerous breaks. The mistake some made was assuming I had an issue with 'casual' in its entirety; seeming that I came from twitch/speed orientated mmo games. However the opposite was the case. Because of the global cd and more thoughtful design (at the time); I didn't mind adjusting. Rotations and skill volume could afford to be a little more dense - because the game was at its core quite slow for the better part. That is if you had any mmo years behind you at all.

When the 'simplification' as I called it began; I already knew that as with other titles Yoshi follows, that had done the same - nothing would be changed to account for it. Meaning that most of the remaining kit would be unnecessary because its just far far too simple with any form of competence. Of course the head nodding 'yes crowd' ignore you or give you the ''stfu or leave'' speech (how welcoming lol) however, it's now come to pass. One button spam for a lions share of what should be someones progressive experience. Fun. Reward and investment.

As this will no longer change; the forum is much like beating a dead horse is it not? Predictably, even if Sage is a step forward in lessening healer disappointment - it won't be that robust on release. Years will fly by with more simplifications across the board it seems, if craft and homogeny of dps/tank and so on is anything to go by. It is a lost cause.

I am tired of seeing this done to games quite honestly. To the point I suspect this will be my last (cheer for the pro-dum crowd no doubt). Ultimately however Scholar remains the clearest example to you of my long term point. What was - to now, Isn't improvement. It's castration. Literally from fun to numb. I cringe every time I see the Scholar logo and feel sorry for those who had it as class fantasy #1. Now what do you get? Homogenized fairy skins and faster tendonitis? Sigh. Whatever next.

[FoxCh40s]

It's not so much them not knowing what to do (theory) its not knowing what to do (reality) - since the whole game has been adjusted to the whims of the mentally handicapped. Those that hide behind the casual moniker, yet are really just self-entitled and lazy. Yeah, I don't really have any issues being blunt about it. That should be evident by now.

Because of the changes, its been a while since I took the game seriously. Had numerous breaks. The mistake some made was assuming I had an issue with 'casual' in its entirety; seeming that I came from twitch/speed orientated mmo games. However the opposite was the case. Because of the global cd and more thoughtful design (at the time); I didn't mind adjusting. Rotations and skill volume could afford to be a little more dense - because the game was at its core quite slow for the better part. That is if you had any mmo years behind you at all.

When the 'simplification' as I called it began; I already knew that as with other titles Yoshi follows, that had done the same - nothing would be changed to account for it. Meaning that most of the remaining kit would be unnecessary because its just far far too simple with any form of competence. Of course the head nodding 'yes crowd' ignore you or give you the ''stfu or leave'' speech (how welcoming lol) however, it's now come to pass. One button spam for a lions share of what should be someones progressive experience. Fun. Reward and investment.

As this will no longer change; the forum is much like beating a dead horse is it not? Predictably, even if Sage is a step forward in lessening healer disappointment - it won't be that robust on release. Years will fly by with more simplifications across the board it seems, if craft and homogeny of dps/tank and so on is anything to go by. It is a lost cause.

I am tired of seeing this done to games quite honestly. To the point I suspect this will be my last (cheer for the pro-dum crowd no doubt). Ultimately however Scholar remains the clearest example to you of my long term point. What was - to now, Isn't improvement. It's castration. Literally from fun to numb. I cringe every time I see the Scholar logo and feel sorry for those who had it as class fantasy #1. Now what do you get? Homogenized fairy skins and faster tendonitis? Sigh. Whatever next.

My sentiments exactly.

[Aword3213]

It’s not like we gonna have a raid tier were meeles can reduce magic dmg by 5 % and I’m pretty sure the dmg reduce you get form the move speed buffs is either just 10 or 5 % so it’s not even worth too talk about that. And I’m also pretty sure meeles still have a shorter cool down on feint then sch is gonna have on this useless ability.

it's worth noting that there're some damage from certain mechanics come from not the boss, but from other sources. In these cases, party mitigation in the form of buff is better than that of debuff

[Brandedblade]

It’s not like we gonna have a raid tier were meeles can reduce magic dmg by 5 % and I’m pretty sure the dmg reduce you get form the move speed buffs is either just 10 or 5 % so it’s not even worth too talk about that. And I’m also pretty sure meeles still have a shorter cool down on feint then sch is gonna have on this useless ability.

It's almost like....the effects can stack and there is literally no loss to using it or something idk. It's also almost like not everyone is going to be playing to the point that they have every decimal point of damage calculated to where they know the exact percentage of damage they can mitigate to not heal it.

But whatever I suppose. free mitigation is still better then no mitigation or less mitigation.

[Mortex]

it's worth noting that there're some damage from certain mechanics come from not the boss, but from other sources. In these cases, party mitigation in the form of buff is better than that of debuff

Yes ofc but in mostly all cases you can survive these anyway with cds you have on hand. Like the only mechanic were that would of any use would be e8s week 1 knock back mirrors because they count as separate target you can’t weaken but still that’s like 1 mechanic were it would be good. Like the entire raid tier except shiva you can target these. E4s the hardest part week 1 was the almagest and e12s the hardest was lions and oracle has some specific mechanics that hurt but you can target the boss all the time too weaken them.

[Mortex]

It's almost like....the effects can stack and there is literally no loss to using it or something idk. It's also almost like not everyone is going to be playing to the point that they have every decimal point of damage calculated to where they know the exact percentage of damage they can mitigate to not heal it.

But whatever I suppose. free mitigation is still better then no mitigation or less mitigation.

Ok for 99% of the content even if it stack mitigation you survive anyway without any problem I mean look at the primal fights in ShB they have not even a single one shot aoe that you actually need to mitigate too survive and if you go for the 1 % content you have either a static or even pf pugs go into voice if the go for party finder week 1 savages . And it’s not like sage doesn’t has any mitigation so sch move speed dmg reduce skill will only be useful in very specific scenarios. It’s nice too have but why bother when you can play sage and have more fun and clear the content anyway without problems.

[Liam_Harper]

I love how people missing the other buff the movement skill does

It increase players movement speed AND gives them damage reduction, this is huge also the fairy AI got changed abit (was said so today in the LL that was released today) so technically scholar can just dump this onto the tank, to reduce the tank damage taken consently, so u would "ignore" the speed boost and most likely be using it for the "damage reduction" buff

Oh, you're absolutely going to be using this for damage reduction. And it will be a good skill because of that, raid mitigation on an oGCD can always find use at endgame.

The problem is, an extra Reprisal is hardly an exciting new skill. Especially on a class with Sacred Soil almost on demand. It fixes none of the issues with the class, ignores pet AI problems, doesn't make gameplay more interesting and doesn't change the fact that Sage is just straight up better.

[ItMe]

[...] and doesn't change the fact that Sage is just straight up better.

I keep hearing this, but I don't understand.
Can you explain to me where this notion is coming from?

I understand why so many people can already be claiming one class is better when
-- we know so, so little about SCH's kit
-- we have little to no idea what the potentcies on Sages revealed abilities will actually mean in the new expac (especially because of the stat squish also causing a potency rework to jive with the new backend math).

It feels like I've missed something everyone else knows about.
How/why is everyone saying Sage is "straight up better?"