My Eulogy for Machinist

[Katie_Kitty]

which makes it as engaging as flèche.

I'll have you know, fleche is actually one of the most satisfying oGCDs to use.

They never gave a crap about mch and it s core playerbase, and now that the very casual base loves it "i can press 1 button in a row for half a minute and things look cool while i can move without caring" there probably wont have any change anymore. Just look at how much people defend the fact mch's dps is fine because they can move, i m already prepared for mch to be behind RDM again, but they are a caster so it's okay.

Why compare MCH to RDM anyway? They're completely different roles. You're not competing with Red Mage, you are competing with Dancer and Bard.

[Aiscence]

Why compare MCH to RDM anyway? They're completely different roles. You're not competing with Red Mage, you are competing with Dancer and Bard.

I know right, why should I compare a caster that is heavily supportive against a "selfish" ranged dps. Both in rdps and pdps mch is behind something having a rez, a heal, a damage buff, an okayish movement, a very easy rotation just because we can freely move.

I don't think any top end player are asking for it to be first dps, especially with the actual kit, just not have 10% less than EVERY dps that isnt rphys, while you dont have anything remotely useful for the party nor dps. and yes, even at 10% percentile, mch is still behind, so it's not a problem of it being good at low lvl. If it wasn't for the 1% raid buff by existing, there would be no reason to actually take a rphys.

[DPZ2]

Why compare MCH to RDM anyway? They're completely different roles. You're not competing with Red Mage, you are competing with Dancer and Bard.

I have never understood this attitude. Each of the jobs has its own quirks. None of the jobs is 'competing' against other jobs. Every player chooses a job because they like the playstyle, not because it's somehow 'better' than another job.

[Min-max end game players need not reply - your playstyle is apparently 'what does the most damage with the least intolerable job actions'.]

Want to run around like a chicken confused by the roundabout? Choose one of the physical ranged DPS.

Want to blow things up, complete with special effects? Choose one of the magical ranged DPS.

Want to get up-close and personal when fighting a boss? Choose one of the melee DPS.

[Jirah]

I'll have you know, fleche is actually one of the most satisfying oGCDs to use.

I meant GCD as in it runs the same with 1-2-3 but has a CD. So in some ways, worse than flèche and personally don’t see satisfaction in the engaging process of “pressing a button” which is MCH entire kit.

RDM has it to diversity itself and is a ogcd so blends decently to spells even if removing it wouldn’t really doom the job. But a job starving for new shtick, a ogcd isn’t it and a cd-GCD is worse it yet again just make the job fat and full of bloat.

[Jirah]

Yeah, but that's not a guideline for healthy game design.
I wouldn't even say "loved the most", more like "screamed loudest on the forums" in many cases.
It is then no wonder that devs don't show up here on the forums, to chat with a lynch mob.

Any job I love in a MMO, I wouldn’t wish it to stagnate this badly. it is far worse to submit with a “just how it is, don’t fix what isn’t broken” as it’s a recipe for unambitious design than vent.

Or be one of those forum white knights that swears the game would be better if everyone stopped having opinions. Games not perfect MCH isn’t perfect not was it perfect enough to stagnate. That’s the argument, and the best counterclaim to it I’ve seen is “stop dreaming of a better job”

[Mezzoforte]

Any job I love in a MMO, I wouldn’t wish it to stagnate this badly. it is far worse to submit with a “just how it is, don’t fix what isn’t broken” as it’s a recipe for unambitious design than vent.

Or be one of those forum white knights that swears the game would be better if everyone stopped having opinions. Games not perfect MCH isn’t perfect not was it perfect enough to stagnate. That’s the argument, and the best counterclaim to it I’ve seen is “stop dreaming of a better job”

You also have the other side of the coin for a problem. World of Warcraft suffers from always wanting to make changes instead of keeping to what works. They are falling apart and have some of the worst class design in existence. I much rather SE keep making tiny or no changes to some classes or abilities while making larger changes where needed than simply wanting change for changes sake. Stagnation isnt by definition bad just like change isnt by definition good.

As for what they should add to machinist. I think for flashy and flavour they should make queen no longer be an automated DOT like doll. But instead when you summon queen you can start using abilities/attacks and expend heat to "charge her" further. The more you do the more weapons can be beamed down to equip her. Then after the equip window goes away she starts firing all the new weapons in sequence. Maybe some shoulder pad missiles, gatlings on the arms, lasers in the chest. Something with a bit more interaction and control on your part. It probably sounds dumb but this is something I could at least get behind rather than summon doll, doll punch, doll go byebye.

[Jirah]

It won't because SE is adamant on giving phy ranged a movement tax while also not giving it any meaningful utility that'll actually help the party.

PHY ranged is pretty much dead except for dancer being able to pocket the powerful DPS jobs

I mean I haven’t seen any numbers yet so I’ll hold off on that, and even then I feel this is greatly exaggerated as even now the PHY doesn’t feel so underpowered that it’s being excluded, seen some PF that have thanks to these claims. EXs and a few Savage content I’ve joined I still manage to clear and even out DPS some melee and casters because I remain alive longer. Idk potency needs to be really really REALLY Low for me to critically say “All PHY are useless” with a striaght face

[AC9Breaker]

Im pretty happy with MCH. Even happier they didn't change it too much and I won't have to relearn my rotations.

[Shironeko_Narunyan]

Im pretty happy with MCH. Even happier they didn't change it too much and I won't have to relearn my rotations.

Looking at the numbers, the majority of players thinks that way. That kind of ingame metric is what the devs look at, not the forums, thankfully.

[CKNovel]

Looking at the numbers, the majority of players thinks that way. That kind of ingame metric is what the devs look at, not the forums, thankfully.

It's so much the majority Yoshida had to mention complexity and reassure players that Reaper wasn't a easy job.
Jobs should be balanced for high-end content players, not dungeon players.

Reason is simple, if you play your job like crap, no one will care in dungeons.
You can get through the MSQ by binding 1 GCD to your hotbar and spamming it. Which is how I picture casuals scared about a few extra buttons.

BLM and GNB wouldn't exist if they only listened to casuals.
Even then, you can just play Ice Mage if BLM is too complex for you.