Thread: The Job Action Trailer 2.0 (Tanks)

Originally Posted by Duskane

warriors have been asking since start of ShB to take onslaught off the gauge and make it like the others it was bound to happen

Highly casual Warriors, perhaps. Every time such has been suggested, though, those who actually play the job significantly have been quick to inform them why anything more than a faint potency increase to Onslaught with each time (by trait or patch) Fell Cleave gets an indirect buff would be a capacity and QoL nerf.

Originally Posted by NyneSwordz

Maybe that's the problem.

What? That they actually main the job and therefore actually double-check ideas that would be a nerf to it?

Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain

As for the Confiteor combo, it will more than likely replace Goring Blade combo in the rotational loop, as it appears the combo applies a damage over time. It seems the most logical way to implement it due to the rigid nature of Paladin's rotation.

Aodhan is right!

I've rewatched the trailer multiple times now, and counted the seconds once Goring was applied, and kept an eye on the dot vfx. The dot is applied around 17:54, and - as expected - the dot vfx stops at roughly 18:14. The last Confiteor combo hits at 18:20, and there were no dot vfx until then, and just a second after the vfx the trash dummy dies.

The new combo doesn't require MP, replaces the first Goring blade combo after Requiescat, and is triggered by casting Confiteor/ending Requiescat - just as many other new finisher moves! (WAR finisher Cleave after Inner Release, BRD finisher shot after Apex Arrow etc.)

Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Since Goring Blade was introduced Paladin has been built around a 9 gcd cycle of Goring Blade and then 6 filler gcds made up of RoH and RA combos with FoF being used once every 3 cycles.
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GB combo -> RA/RoH combo -> RA/RoH combo -> GB combo -> RA/RoH combo -> RA/RoH combo -> GB combo -> RA/RoH combo -> RA/RoH combo -> Repeat was HW's 60s rotation

HW rotation was on 90s repeat since old Fight or Flight had +30% dmg/30s duration on 90s CD. On 2.43s GCD (BiS GCD during 3.4), that's 37 GCDs on repeat which meant either you filled in one Fracture every circle, or were drifting by 1 GCD every 90s. Nevertheless, 30s dur FoF meant 4 full combos + 1 extra GCD (e.g. Fracture, but its TP cost were pretty high).

Originally Posted by NyneSwordz

I think people are just being weird with onslaught and overreacting. But that's forums for you.

On another note, seems like nascent flash looks like it got some kind of change.

Also, I really they'd change those aoe punch animations. It doesn't look good at all...

Yeah the way the axe disappears is odd. You'd think they animate it so that during the first left punch, the right arm sheathes the weapon, then punch with right, then the left punch and during the spin he will unsheathe the weapon again, but w/e. It's just an ogcd so it's gonna clip with onslaught I'm sure since you gotta start spamming that. Personally I was hoping we would get something like Escanor where you summon a giant fireball overhead and slam it down on the enemy.



With regards to people being weird and over reacting about onslaught here's what's gonna most likely happen. Every 60 secs during TA you're gonna spam 3 onslaughts and the punch move during your IR window.

IR > FC > punches > FC > Ons > FC > Ons > finisher > Ons > Infuriate + IC

You know if I wanted to play a job where I spam an ogcd after every gcd I would have picked GNB but I don't because, call me crazy but, I'd rather weave defensive cds in between gcds and adding bloat to that window is counter-intuitive to what a tank is supposed to do imo. Unless all the bosses in EW is spamming a point blank aoe the changes to onslaught is just another step into turning tanks into poormans dps instead of emphasizing their roles as tanks.

Originally Posted by Garnix

I am personally fine with it being on charges instead of using gauge. But I think they should definitely find a way to avoid this "dump all charges in burst window" thingy. Especially for the gap closers, which should primarily be utility abilities.

Yea, pretty much this. At some point it crosses the line between a beneficial ability and rote oGCD spam.

There's definitely some appeal to the gameplay style, both visually and performative. Like when you catch the server tick perfectly while dodging between a gcd and snap back to the boss with the gap close. It's really fun for sure, the debate for me is really about the frequency (IE, should high mobility dodging be a playstyle it's own?) and whether all the tanks should play like that or not. All the melee DPS have a gap close but they each have their own flair and feel right? Some do damage and some don't. Some cost a resource and some don't. As little as a 10 sec or as much as 60 sec CD. Plenty of variation to go around.

I think WAR getting Onslaught change is more due to feedback about WAR playing slower than the other tanks, the whole 10 sec burst 80 sec afk meme. Less about it costing a resource or being DPS neutral, etc. Basically EZ APM Clap

Ideally they should incorporate the same spectrum of mobility into tank jobs as they have for melee. One end could be slower CD/less charges tanks that deal damage while on the other end faster CD/more charges tanks that play with that zippy-zoom style but don't deal damage (which in theory the higher mobility would compensate for). Something in this realm would be interesting at least idk.