MNK still lacking range...

[Sorzai]

Monk doesn't need any long ranged skills. It's utterly ridiculous to even have one to begin with. There is always so many other things to do while having to stay away from boss, like build chakra, formless fist to prep for the next dash in, hell you can even change stance to mitigate any damage u might get.

I hope they don't remove our stances oh dear lord up high, I really don't want our stances removed; the movement speed buff can be done away with that's fine but keep the atk buff and Def buff.

[wereotter]

Monk doesn't need any long ranged skills. It's utterly ridiculous to even have one to begin with. There is always so many other things to do while having to stay away from boss, like build chakra, formless fist to prep for the next dash in, hell you can even change stance to mitigate any damage u might get.

I hope they don't remove our stances oh dear lord up high, I really don't want our stances removed; the movement speed buff can be done away with that's fine but keep the atk buff and Def buff.

Likely they remove them and if anything, turn them into passive skills. Firsts of Fire will almost certainly be this (since it's not shown as a skill in the trailer, and not on Yoshi's hotbar when he was showing off new monk) Would have to watch really closely to compare that job and summoner/reaper to see if potentially Fists of Wind is also made a passive trait.

[Coba]

MNK doesn't need a ranged attack. Especially with two (soon-to-be-three) charges of mobility and the ability to build chakras, it's just not necessary. It would also go completely against the job fantasy if we started throwing things.

[Sorzai]

Likely they remove them and if anything, turn them into passive skills. Firsts of Fire will almost certainly be this (since it's not shown as a skill in the trailer, and not on Yoshi's hotbar when he was showing off new monk) Would have to watch really closely to compare that job and summoner/reaper to see if potentially Fists of Wind is also made a passive trait.

yeah i didn't see any of them on his Hotbars, but it's just sad that they're turning them into passive skills. sure it's nice that we get more hotbar real estate, but do we really need it? i kinda wished they expanded more upon these stances rather than simply giving buffs. but turning them into passives to me removes the job fantasy, it's like how they removed cleric stance too, i liked that.

[Garnix]

It would also go completely against the job fantasy if we started throwing things.

FFXI's Chi Blast would work just as well for the job fantasy as Enlightenment does.

[Kolsykol]

Monk doesn't need any long ranged skills. It's utterly ridiculous to even have one to begin with. There is always so many other things to do while having to stay away from boss, like build chakra, formless fist to prep for the next dash in, hell you can even change stance to mitigate any damage u might get.

I hope they don't remove our stances oh dear lord up high, I really don't want our stances removed; the movement speed buff can be done away with that's fine but keep the atk buff and Def buff.

It's not only about bosses.
I am doing Eureka right now for example and the lack of range is really painful for safely pulling mobs...

MNK doesn't need a ranged attack. Especially with two (soon-to-be-three) charges of mobility and the ability to build chakras, it's just not necessary. It would also go completely against the job fantasy if we started throwing things.

Why? We already have a ranged blast only not far enough and it costs resources.
Why would a more traditional range go against our fantasy?
How does it with MNK but not SAM?

Does DRG carry infinite spears on their backs too?
Why can a PLD lob his shield but not lose it?
This is silly imo, it doesn't go against our fantasy.

[Shurrikhan]

There is zero need for a ranged attack, per se. We need only a use for our GCD that does not require melee range. A ranged attack is one such means, but so too was Meditation.

We don't need to homogenize the means to a given capacity.

Hell, before TFC was nerfed to compensate for Deep Meditation, MNK's Meditation skill had by far the highest flexibility and potency-per-GCD of any non-melee weaponskill on a melee job.

[Sorzai]

FFXI's Chi Blast would work just as well for the job fantasy as Enlightenment does.

yeah but the chi blast is the same as Enlightenment, hence it requires full stack of chakra.

[Lihtleita]

serious answer
mnk doesnt need a long range attack IF it has something to do in its downtime that can contribute to its overall dps
previously this was meditate and (supposed to be) anatman
if we have higher than average dps at close range, theres no need for ranged attacks for it to compete with other dps

[Morzy]

it's free damage everyone has except MNK.

This simply is not true. Monk does have a system that counts towards potency contribution while away from the boss. Let me explain.


If by damage = potency then utilizing Meditation while away from boss produces the same effect.

Meditation can be stacked 5 times, has a recast time of 1.0 seconds, and are consumed to perform Forbidden Chakra which has a potency of 340.

If we do some quick math.. 340/5=68. Each stack of meditation produces 68 potency and with a quick recast time of 1.0 second.


I understand that Dragoon has Piercing Talon which has a potency of 150 and a recast time of 2.5 seconds...

In 2.5 seconds, Dragoon can produce 150 potency.
In 3 seconds, Monk can produce 204 potency.

Monk accumulates more potency than DRG when accounting for their basic ranged attacks. Dragoon can only produce more potency than Monk after performing Piercing Talon three times.