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  1. #1
    Player
    Jimothy's Avatar
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    Billiam Tristam
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Blue Mage Lv 70

    BLU normalization suggestion

    As we all know, BLU is currently a limited job as it's been stated that the job has been too difficult to normalize/fit into the standard meta without losing that BLU feel.
    I know I'm not alone, however, in desperately wanting to be able to play BLU as my main, through MSQ, through roulettes, through progression, etc., and for that to ever happen, we'll need it to be normalize-able.
    With that in mind, I've a bare-bones suggestion that's probably completely unoriginal that I'd like to put out there for derision and scorn - start BLU off, when first picked up, as-is, but set Aetherial Mimicry as a "required" spell to become a "normal" class. With the new Mimicry, FAR more spells should be affected, including not just buffs but debuffs, as well - as an example, Tank mimicry would debuff healing done across the board, and debuff many of the large DPS spells, (or whatever else is necessary to bring the BLUtank in line with mainline tanks.) Same idea for BLUheals and BLUPS.
    Once a BLU is in the updated mimicry state, they are able to queue, run MSQ, etc. (If it's an issue, maybe lock spells during roulette instances?)
    (Possibly give a toggle to stay a "regular" BLU, keeping the current Aetherial Mimicry effects?)

    Ok - Thank you sir, may I have another?
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    Deviously Enchanted
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 90
    "Not keeping the Blu feel" is the lesser evil. Blu simply can't operate inside regular content because regular content is balanced around the holy trinity.
    A class that can casually swap between the three roles simply can't exist in content like that without either
    A. Being broken, or B. Being nerfed into the ground.

    If Blu was nerfed into the ground it wouldn't be fun so they went the opposite direction. The whole class is an experiment.

    Outside those two options Blu would need to be entirely reworked or they would need to rework everything that was balanced around the trinity.
    (Which wouldn't be so bad if they had future proof labels attached to their data/codes but they probably don't.)
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    The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...

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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 100
    In order to make Blue Mage into a regular class, they'd need to overhaul it entirely.

    Just for starters, the entirety of the Blue Magic Spellbook would need to be removed, they'd just learn a set of specific spells as they level like a normal class would.
    Most of the spells they have would lose their effects. Just a simple DoT or two, maybe a short 5% Vuln up with a 60 sec CD...

    If they started to try turn it into a regular class, it'd probably be just about what Summoner is currently, except no Egi or trance.
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    Johanna Yevon
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    Adamantoise
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Keep it the way it is.
    If it was a NORMAL job, it wouldn't be as fun. Many of the Skills wouldn't be as good as they are because they would be Gutted to be "Balanced" It might even lose over half of that Spellbook because of how they would have to introduce and teach you Spells.

    And I think YoshiP mentioned that Bluemage works the way it does, because if a Bluemage gets into a Group and doesn't have X skill, then they could be kicked and can't play the job or the content. Bluemage as a concept is tricky for an MMO, but people wanted it so badly, so they made it the best way they could while keeping its identity across the FF-Series. Results?...a bloody mess. But hey, at least its not COMPLETELY useless.
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    Alessia Adaka
    World
    Moogle
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    If you play BLU you accept it as it currently is. Because the only way to make BLU work for mainline content.. is to gut it and kill all that makes BLU unique. You're not ever going to get access to everything with BLU as it is now.
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    Let's humor the idea of turning Blue Mage into a regular job... Because why not..
    Let's look at the list of Blue Mage spells to see which ones would absolutely have to be taken out of the class to even start, due to certain status effects included in them or certain mechanics involved.

    Here's a complete list

    High Voltage
    Final Sting
    Glower
    Bristle
    White Wind
    Level 5 Petrify
    Ice Spikes
    Self-Destruct
    Transfusion
    Faze
    Snort
    4-Tonze Weight
    The Look
    Bad Breath
    Diamondback
    Sticky Tongue
    The Ram's Voice
    The Dragon's Voice
    Missile
    1000 Needles
    Moon Flute
    Tail Screw
    Mind Blast
    Doom
    Peculiar Light
    Feather Rain
    Protean Wave
    Northerlies
    Abyssal Transfixion
    Eerie Soundwave
    Avail
    Frog Legs
    Whistle
    Black Knight's Tour
    White Knight's Tour
    Level 5 Death
    Launcher
    Perpetual Ray
    Devour
    Reflux
    Condensed Libra
    Aetherical Mimicry
    Tingle
    Cold Fog
    Angel's Snack
    Chelonian Gate
    Ultravibration
    Basic Instinct
    Dragon Force
    Hydro Pull
    Malediction of Water
    Matra Magic
    Peripheral Synthesis

    And then most of the Trial boss attacks would also probably have to be nerfed as well with longer cooldowns and lower potency...
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    Character
    Inara Icore
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    Omega
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 90
    The problem is that you're thinking of BLU as a job. You should be thinking of it as content. Collect all the actions, beat all the challenge stages, collaborate with other BLUs and work out how to use your unique toolkit to resolve mechanics in old fights. BLU isn't a job. It's just a thing to do.
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    Samson Blacke
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Blue Mage Lv 80
    BLU is fine as it is
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    Character
    Blue Plenilune
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    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Let me try to set things straight here.

    The simplest solution to make it feasible for Blue Mage to participate in all content is to utilize a tool that SE has already created: Basic Instinct.

    Allow Basic Instinct to be used for the Masked Carnival and the Blue Mage Log, in addition to the normal solo duty rule. This would be essentially identical to current Blue Mage. Everyone who is satisfied with the current Blue Mage can continue to enjoy it the same as always.

    In any situation where Basic Instinct can't be used, which would be all other content the game has to offer, including Duty Finder, Blue Mage would essentially be "toned down" due to the absence of Basic Instinct. Certain spells that would be considered game breaking would no longer be an issue because those spells would be made reliant on Basic Instinct to achieve their full strength.

    Nothing has to be removed. Nothing has to be cut. It's entirely possible for Blue Mage to remain "as is" while simultaneously opening the door for more players to enjoy it.
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