Worthless Live Letter

[Aword3213]

It's inference, because you're only passive-aggressive and hostile to anyone who doesn't like current healer design. Which is largely pressing one button. Over and over and over again.

Yes, apparently being passive-aggressive towards someone(not me) who likes current healers is totally acceptable.

If you are so good at monitoring my post history, you would know I only make such comment on people who are being toxic/aggressive/passive- aggressive first.

[Grimoire-M]

Yes, apparently being passive-aggressive towards someone(not me) who likes current healers is totally acceptable.

If you are so good at monitoring my post history, you would know I only make such comment on people who are being toxic/aggressive/passive- aggressive first.

As said person you responded to, probably worth noting you only responded to -half- my first response, where I course corrected immediately after the cheeky dunk precisely to get people to see that it's not because I don't have empathy for the person I responded to. 'I like that it's not hard' isn't a tenable position in the long run. Hell I'm on a third alt atm carrying family and their friends through MSQ fights so they can enjoy the story for what it is. When they try to heal they encounter panic issues and can't ABC past 70% uptime. Am I gonna tell them that? NO. But when they express interest in Savage or ask why I sound bored as I'm doing callouts and fixing their mistakes, I'm going to be honest about it and say "Whether you get good at this game or not you're going to hate healers in the long run, play something else unless you like the stress. That's the lifeblood of the role in any MMO".

[Aword3213]

As said person you responded to, probably worth noting you only responded to -half- my first response, where I course corrected immediately after the cheeky dunk precisely to get people to see that it's not because I don't have empathy for the person I responded to. 'I like that it's not hard' isn't a tenable position in the long run. Hell I'm on a third alt atm carrying family and their friends through MSQ fights so they can enjoy the story for what it is. When they try to heal they encounter panic issues and can't ABC past 70% uptime. Am I gonna tell them that? NO. But when they express interest in Savage or ask why I sound bored as I'm doing callouts and fixing their mistakes, I'm going to be honest about it and say "Whether you get good at this game or not you're going to hate healers in the long run, play something else unless you like the stress. That's the lifeblood of the role in any MMO".

and I consider only my first sentence of my response is kinda passive-aggressive.

The rest of my comment about WOW healers are genuine. They are true to current WOW environment. I wasn't lying just to make sarcasms. Let's be honest, WOW literally has everything most people on healer forums are asking for regarding engaging healer design.

[Grimoire-M]

and I consider only my first sentence of my response is kinda passive-aggressive.

The rest of my comment about WOW healers are genuine. They are true to current WOW environment. I wasn't lying just to make sarcasms. Let's be honest, WOW literally has everything most people on healer forums are asking for regarding engaging healer design.

And yet I've heard enough from other players about its overall character progression systems to know I would hate playing it in spite of that. Warframe's an amazing shooter I literally cannot play anymore because of its bloated systems that rely on the that core loop being good. Path of Exile turns on my number crunching brain in a good way but it went that way for me too and it's not time-gated at all. If I'm sitting down with a group to grind out some fights together, I'd rather be playing XIV, because the general upkeep is so much less by comparison. Half my static is full of healer mains. Same with my CWL. The fact it gets so much right is why this is such a blight on its experience.

[Semirhage]

Yes, apparently being passive-aggressive towards someone(not me) who likes current healers is totally acceptable.

If you are so good at monitoring my post history, you would know I only make such comment on people who are being toxic/aggressive/passive- aggressive first.

If you consider Sebazy toxic, then you consider anyone who has a genuine, measured dislike of current healers to be toxic. And yes, current healers are shittily designed. From a standpoint that's so close to being objective, that it's genuinely astounding that anyone can defend it.

[Aword3213]

If you consider Sebazy toxic, then you consider anyone who has a genuine, measured dislike of current healers to be toxic. And yes, current healers are shittily designed. From a standpoint that's so close to being objective, that it's genuinely astounding that anyone can defend it.

I'm not sure whether you replied to a wrong thread, or you want to bring that fight here....well...

1. Never in my wildest dream would I see a person asking to be treated as a collective hive mind, instead of an individual

2. Although toxic isn't the right word in Sebazy's case, I don't think Sebazy was toxic. The reply he made was a little bit aggressive. I only had problem with that reply alone, which means when next time Sebazy making comment on things, I would treat his opinions fairly instead of judging him based on his post history. In short, if i must use your word "toxic", I don't think anyone is a toxic person. I only have problem with toxic replies.

3. same in Sebazy's case, that thread was asking about " Has anyone quit healing." One of the replies are "Nope, if anything the EW leaks have me even more excited to be a healer." And that reply was called White knighting. How does it have anything to do with objective standpoint? There wasn't one to begin with. That reply was simply an answer to a Yes or NO question. How does it even relate to genuine, measured argument of shitty designed healers?

4. Sebazy and I ended up trading blows. We were fine.

I think you should relax.

[Semirhage]

I'm not sure whether you replied to a wrong thread, or you want to bring that fight here....well...

1. Never in my wildest dream would I see a person asking to be treated as a collective hive mind, instead of an individual

2. Although toxic isn't the right word in Sebazy's case, I don't think Sebazy was toxic. The reply he made was a little bit aggressive. I only had problem with that reply alone, which means when next time Sebazy making comment on things, I would treat his opinions fairly instead of judging him based on his post history. In short, if i must use your word "toxic", I don't think anyone is a toxic person. I only have problem with toxic replies.

3. same in Sebazy's case, that thread was asking about " Has anyone quit healing." One of the replies are "Nope, if anything the EW leaks have me even more excited to be a healer." And that reply was called White knighting. How does it have anything to do with objective standpoint? There wasn't one to begin with. That reply was simply an answer to a Yes or NO question. How does it even relate to genuine, measured argument of shitty designed healers?

4. Sebazy and I ended up trading blows. We were fine.

I think you should relax.

Forgive me if I've been complaining about awful healer (mostly WHM) design for almost six years, only to watch that design get either more and more and more awful or equivalently awful with each passing expansion. I'm so, so bored of people defending it. SO bored of "yay healers look great!" WHM will never, never mature into an actually well-designed or fun job so long as the playerbase keeps gargling gruel and calling it gourmet fare. Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare.

I'm so far over "everyone's entitled to their opinion" shielding of Sylphies. I really am. WHM has my favorite job aesthetic, and it's dumped on every expansion by the job designers to please the Sylphies. I want a WHM that's actually fun to play, their opinions cut that off at the knees. Squeenix can make a limited job for them called Sylphie, that can spam GlareBroil and Medica 2, with no other buttons. So, so tired of the Sylphie Defense Force on these forums. How stupidly designed do the healers have to get before everyone's sick of it?

[Shin96]

I'm not a healer, but I feel bad for you guys. Know that we tanks aren't off any much better. I sincerely hope they look into these issues, healing sounds like a bore to me.

[GrimGale]

Yes, apparently being passive-aggressive towards someone(not me) who likes current healers is totally acceptable.

If you are so good at monitoring my post history, you would know I only make such comment on people who are being toxic/aggressive/passive- aggressive first.

I don't think being passive-agressive and snarky at people helps any side of the argument. If anything it might destroy any sympathy for it.

I don't like when my side, which I do believe have very strong arguments for their criticisms, uses demeaning language and behaves smugly, like our opinions somehow propel us above the rest of the uncultured masses.

That being said, it is easy to bait responses by being polemical, to make others upset so that they make fools of themselves.

One can't be too careful when discussing things on the internet.