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    Grimoire-M's Avatar
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    Grimoire Mogri
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in View Post
    Those are the reasons I play healer lmao.
    Good News! There's only one button you need to hit for comfortable healer gameplay. Please look forward to it!




    In all seriousness. Good healers expect some level of discomfort. If you're not working to optimize a DPS rotation AFTER you're comfortable with content (which is by far the more amenable state to have with new healers), then you have to be working constantly to keep the party alive. Otherwise, there's no engagement to be had in the long term, period.
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    Brandedblade's Avatar
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    Gunther Frey
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    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    Anyone still Stockholmed to WHM and SCH had better prepare for two (more) years of being told that your one button spam jobs "feel comfy"! "I love how simple it is". "I just like to settle down, turn my brain off, and run roulettes after work". "It's so satisfying to keep a tank up through big pulls in (easy) dungeons". "I hope they keep building on this design, it feels really good!"

    Your choices at this point are two more years of wondering why the hell these jobs are designed so stupidly a four year old could play them and why people keep defending that design, or play a DPS and roll your eyes wistfully at the healer ghetto whenever more sewage comes splorting out patch after patch.
    ok /thread.
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    Player Aword3213's Avatar
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    Eizen Aifread
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    Good news! There's a magic button that grants all the wish you want for healers. Please look forward to it



    Non scripted fight. Check

    Identify for each healers. Check

    Customize Mastery for diversity. Check

    Engaging heal checks. Check

    Interesting healing mechanics in each healers. Check

    dps options for healers. Check

    Great party utilities. Check

    Square Enix doesn't care about healers, but Blizzard does. The oppression of FFXIV healers ends today. Join World of Warcraft for the glory of healers.
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    Last edited by Aword3213; 10-08-2021 at 09:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aword3213 View Post
    Good news! There's a magic button that grants all the wish you want for healers. Please look forward to it



    Non scripted fight. Check

    Identify for each healers. Check

    Customize Mastery for diversity. Check

    Engaging heal checks. Check

    Interesting healing mechanics in each healers. Check

    dps options for healers. Check

    Great party utilities. Check

    Square Enix doesn't care about healers, but Blizzard does. The oppression of FFXIV healers ends today. Join War of Warcraft for the glory of healers.
    Mmm, no.

    I've heard enough horror stories about ability gutting starting all the way back in Cataclysm to know no one needs to touch that anymore.

    I also like DPSing as a healer in XIV. I also think XIV does a better job giving new players space to breathe in their levelling progression (at least for ARR).

    My complaints are about endgame, which echo out into any game's player retention and longevity. If I want a trashpile of outdated systems designed to gate people rather than respect their time, I'll play Oldschool Runescape. At least then I know it's because the community asked for it.
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    Petition Thread for "Playable Loporrits": https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/436512-Make-them-Playable-You-Cowards
    Are You Happy with the Endwalker Healer Reveal? - Poll: https://strawpoll.vote/polls/2e6mxhnx/vote - Thread: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/443437-Poll-Are-You-Happy-with-the-Healer-Kit-Reveal-for-Endwalker

    Mechanics are Aesthetics. Graphics don't make interesting gameplay.

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    Player Aword3213's Avatar
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    Eizen Aifread
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimoire-M View Post
    I've heard enough horror stories about ability gutting starting all the way back in Cataclysm to know no one needs to touch that anymore.
    Hearing from someone usually gets you wrong impression about things you don't know.

    I promise you the things I listed for healers are still there. Just watch how raiders raid instead of watching refugees complaining how bad WOW is. We all know it to well people tend to over exaggerate when they complain. Not to mention most complaints have nothing to do with engaging healer gameplay.
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    Last edited by Aword3213; 10-08-2021 at 09:46 AM.

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    Videra Svenay
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimoire-M View Post
    Mmm, no.

    I've heard enough horror stories about ability gutting starting all the way back in Cataclysm to know no one needs to touch that anymore.

    I also like DPSing as a healer in XIV. I also think XIV does a better job giving new players space to breathe in their levelling progression (at least for ARR).

    My complaints are about endgame, which echo out into any game's player retention and longevity. If I want a trashpile of outdated systems designed to gate people rather than respect their time, I'll play Oldschool Runescape. At least then I know it's because the community asked for it.
    As a recent WoW player I can attest to the fact that the healers in WoW all play with similar levels of complexity and up from 3.X healers in FFXIV. Holy priest is the most basic, but it still juggles more DPS spells than current WHM while healing, and has actually interesting and well-designed healing abilities. My personal favorite is Monk, where your entire game plan is maintaining MP via melee attacks while managing your burst heals, AOE heals, regens and soothing mist uptime. I'd highly recommend looking into it even if you don't want to play WoW.

    Say what you will about Blizzard, but their healer design is very Chef Kiss worthy.
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aword3213 View Post
    Good news! There's a magic button that grants all the wish you want for healers. Please look forward to it



    Non scripted fight. Check

    Identify for each healers. Check

    Customize Mastery for diversity. Check

    Engaging heal checks. Check

    Interesting healing mechanics in each healers. Check

    dps options for healers. Check

    Great party utilities. Check

    Square Enix doesn't care about healers, but Blizzard does. The oppression of FFXIV healers ends today. Join World of Warcraft for the glory of healers.
    So pressing one button over and over and over again is good design then? That's what I'm getting from these replies.
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    Player Aword3213's Avatar
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    So pressing one button over and over and over again is good design then? That's what I'm getting from these replies.
    How did you make such conclusion from my replies is beyond my best imagination. Care to enlighten me? I'm dying to know
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Ragnarok
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    I'd actually recommend trying Warhammer Return of Reckoning for a healer experience that's genuinely innovative. It's a free community run rerelease of Warhammer Online and whilst it's certainly not without it's own issues, it's a glimpse into how diverse healers can be if a studio is willing to commit the resources into fleshing them out properly.

    I've got some super fond memories of healing in WoW though. I actually specifically played on NA servers to prevent myself from getting into hardcore PvE after the obscene amount of time I had pumped into EQ1 and FFXI. Unfortunately that simply meant that I ended up being a hardcore PvPer instead. Mercifully the ping disadvantage in Arena had me going from hero to zero, I didn't have the willpower to reroll and lose my legacy so I moved on.
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    Last edited by Sebazy; 10-08-2021 at 10:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aword3213 View Post
    How did you make such conclusion from my replies is beyond my best imagination. Care to enlighten me? I'm dying to know
    It's inference, because you're only passive-aggressive and hostile to anyone who doesn't like current healer design. Which is largely pressing one button. Over and over and over again.
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