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    DBriggs304's Avatar
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    Fu Soya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truen View Post
    That doesn't make it true though. What is true is that no one wants to push one button over and over again. How is that fun and interactive?
    What is also true is no one wants to press 4 buttons to perform the action of one. That's not fun or interactive either. That's bloat.

    I cure, heal affects, occasionally throw out a control on a mob, and dps. I'm not sure what some healers are doing if they are only utilizing one button in thier kit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DBriggs304 View Post
    occasionally throw out a control on a mob
    What game are you playing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DBriggs304 View Post
    What is also true is no one wants to press 4 buttons to perform the action of one. That's not fun or interactive either. That's bloat.

    I cure, heal affects, occasionally throw out a control on a mob, and dps. I'm not sure what some healers are doing if they are only utilizing one button in thier kit.
    A solution that doesn't solve anything but would be visualy more interesting than glarespam would be a 1 button combo.
    And for effects they could even reuse all the spells they deleted.
    But even that is too much i guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DBriggs304 View Post
    What is also true is no one wants to press 4 buttons to perform the action of one. That's not fun or interactive either. That's bloat.
    Don't they?

    You could simplify dps to 1 "punch/slash enemy" button that they just spam, tuned to result in equal dps to the current numbers, then argue there's no point in reverting it because "who on earth wants 20+ buttons to do the job of 1, that's not fun or interactive, it's just bloat. I prefer Punch Enemy."

    I'd take 4 buttons if they feel interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    What game are you playing?
    Do you even play healer?

    They’re using fluid aura. /s
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    No 'bloat' is not equivalent to 'more buttons' without further consideration. Just because you are too lazy or braindead to handle a rotation, which is one of several systems designed to add some sense of thought to a procedure, doesn't mean things need to be reduced in volume. It's unfortunate that disingenuous imbeciles get away with pushing this agenda under the cover of 'useless actions'. Because their actual motive is to bring things down to their level of stupid. Not enhance anything for the game at large.

    Which is the case for a certain someone here quite plainly. There is nothing wrong with skills having a management or support function to a primary action, in the form of a procedural set of skills/actions. Somewhat akin to loading a rifle before firing. It's all well and good you saying 'yawn I can't be bothered'. But one way of rendering something so devoid of effort it becomes boring is to condense buttons into single fire skills as you describe. Lets not peddle the community at large as stupid. Or write 'I'm lazy and stupid' as 'bloat'.

    If you want a more interesting array of skills thats one thing; but the game needs to provide a interesting level of threat or engagement variety in order to apply/make you think. Otherwise removing all extraneous skills, just results in a one button snoozefest.
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    Last edited by Mindiori; 09-26-2021 at 08:28 AM.

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    The amount of people from "reaction" videos that go OOHH, AAHHH everytime SCH does an action makes me irrationally upset.

    They all stare wide-eyed at the screen, marveling at the pretty colours and animations from abilities that existed in the game for more than 4 years.

    Deployment Tactics: Ohhh that looks cool! is that new?

    No

    Whispering dawn: Ohhh so pretty, looks so cool!

    No

    Fey Blessing: Oh whoaaaa, that's new! Love the butterly effects!

    No

    Then when the actual new abilities show up they just stare in confusion or don't even notice them. SCH's trailer is truly a failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    The amount of people from "reaction" videos that go OOHH, AAHHH everytime SCH does an action makes me irrationally upset.

    They all stare wide-eyed at the screen, marveling at the pretty colours and animations from abilities that existed in the game for more than 4 years.

    Deployment Tactics: Ohhh that looks cool! is that new?

    No

    Whispering dawn: Ohhh so pretty, looks so cool!

    No

    Fey Blessing: Oh whoaaaa, that's new! Love the butterly effects!

    No

    Then when the actual new abilities show up they just stare in confusion or don't even notice them. SCH's trailer is truly a failure.
    They're definitely relying on people not knowing the Shadowbringers kit for some jobs in order to make it look like Endwalker isn't just the same garbage all over again. Both SCH and DRK in the job actions trailer were like "spot the difference" games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boizinho View Post
    They're definitely relying on people not knowing the Shadowbringers kit for some jobs in order to make it look like Endwalker isn't just the same garbage all over again. Both SCH and DRK in the job actions trailer were like "spot the difference" games.
    /think (sarcasm warning)....But.. that would imply that there were enough differences to even be enough for a spot the difference game...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anahlise_Auhn_Giinslai View Post
    [...]A much better thing to do with a large amount of actions, too many for a player to use all of the actions, is to create in-class diversity. ...hieh.. my disappointment finds it mind-blowing stupid that FFXIV never did this, and has always done that delete actions nonsense, instead.[...] ------------ [...]"I want you to lower me down into my coffin... so that you can.. let. me. down.. one. last. time." - 6.0 Dark Knight[...]
    [...]"...you want to know.. why I chose to abandon the abyss for the void? ...It is simple. That power of darkness did fail me, so I chose to embrace a new power of the darkness...." - Anahlise, a Reaper[...]

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    Angelioux Hymnwesfv
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    I gotta say… it was absolutely hilarious watching different YouTuber reactions and literally everyone was trying to play spot the difference. The ones that happened to have others or guests there to tell what was new and wasn’t for DRK and SCH made it all the more hilarious. The disappointment in their voices as they slowly realized and tried to play it off. It was a good laugh.
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