Stop the WoWificaton (ui mods)

[Breakbeat]

Here is another saying: "Mind your own damn business". Meaning if people are engaged in acts that have no effect on you kindly leave them alone. Is that clear?

Yeah, absolutely, 100% agreed.

Also:

"to end your aggression" says the man, hahaha. There is a phrase that says, “When there is a Racist in the table and all accept it, all are Racist”. Meaning, if you accept the illegality, you are participating for braking the rules that you accepted, so you are an illegal person. Is it that clear?

We're talking about a video game, brother. In this video game discussion, to make a point, you're bringing up some deeply moral stuff about sitting at a table with racists. Let me re-iterate ... we're talking about a video game. How 'bout using an appropriate analogy instead of setting up a straw man by insinuating anyone who is OK with UI mods is OK with racism.

My god, man, that's asinine. Come on. I mean, really, you gotta go read up on this stuff if you think your debate technique is on point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

What's next? If one has ever witnessed another human littering, and failed to call the police, that person condones murder? 'Cause that's exactly what you're saying: complacency with small victimless crimes is equal to condoning something as morally reprehensible as racism.

Video game UI mods are benign. Live and let live.

And just out of my back pocket, I pull a reasonable analogy which proves you don't need to bring up racism in this discussion:

Using addons is like when people hang stuff from their rear-view mirror in their car or place bumper stickers on their windshields.

- These actions are illegal (as are the mods, in the same sense "against the law" that SE wrote)
- A lot of people get away with it (just like here).
- Most people don't pull over to the side of the road when they see these infractions, and immediately call the police.
- Both addons, and fuzzy dice, have a negligible chance of affecting you personally, as one that doesn't hang dice or use addons. You may, very rarely, encounter someone who gains a slight advantage over you due to their addons. You may, very rarely, encounter another driver who rear-ends you because their fuzzy dice blocked their view.

There, branch off that and say your piece, and leave the racism discussions for somewhere outside of a video game forum.

[Arckrin]

You really take this to another whole level, hahahaha. Dude, this why I am sick and tired. Keep justifying the illegal actions.

Like Germans says, “If there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis”

Bye bye o/

[DreadCrow]

You really take this to another whole level, hahahaha. Dude, this why I am sick and tired. Keep justifying the illegal actions.

Like Germans says, “If there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis”

Bye bye o/

There is nothing "illegal" about modding. It's against ToS, but that's it. It can potentially get you banned... If the GMs care enough to enforce it. They usually don't... UI mods don't really effect anything with the gameplay.

[Breakbeat]

You really take this to another whole level, hahahaha. Dude, this why I am sick and tired. Keep justifying the illegal actions.

Like Germans says, “If there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis”

Bye bye o/

There is only one level - life. Every action and behavior is inter-connected. Those that don't realize or believe that are naive.

I'll take your lack of response as an acceptance of defeat.

Toodles. o/

[Avidria]

So I haven't seen more than like, one quick post about this mod so idk anything about it but for a second I thought you meant people were modding to look like the DEFAULT WoW UI and I was so, so confused because holy CRAP the default UI in that game is so unbelieveably godawful lmao

Anyway if it's cosmetic I really don't care, ff has one of the better default UIs in my opinion but I mean. Whatever. Unless it's doing something more??

Then again I also fully support dps meters as long are people aren't you-know-whats about them so... feels like a different issue tbh

[Arckrin]

I just pass to correct you something...

There is nothing "illegal" about modding. It's against ToS, but that's it. It can potentially get you banned... If the GMs care enough to enforce it. They usually don't... UI mods don't really effect anything with the gameplay.

Please look what it is a Terms of Service (ToS) Agreement and why if you violated they can cancel your service or even take LEGAL actions on you... I will help you a bit on your search, you can also call Legal binding contract.

That been set, the consequence on that is up to the company (that is another story)

There is only one level - life. Every action and behavior is inter-connected. Those that don't realize or believe that are naive.

I'll take your lack of response as an acceptance of defeat.

Toodles. o/

You didn't even notice what I mean, and you are only pointing to the “racism”? Go back and read what I mean, dude. If you misplace or misunderstand my quotes and words, it is up to you.

And I take the opportunity to say, "Only fools think they win over others". Also, you are saying, “Every action and behavior is inter-connected. ..." is accepting what I say before… please read… read… I quote, “You cannot control the behaviour of others, but you can always choose how you respond to it.”

Dude, we called these situations “rain over wet” meaning you are saying something I already said related about how to react with other behaviours… This pass when a person try to “be” smart to refute something simple, he/she doesn't have reason. Or even try to distort.

It is interesting when people don't follow the conversations and just pop with the message out of context or out of the author context. :v Meaning… do not distract by the saying, but pay attention on of MEANING author is doing on the point. This is lack of reading interpretations.

EDIT: When was this turn into a contest to say who win or lose? *facepalm*

[Nothv13]

I just pass to correct you something...



Please look what it is a Terms of Service (ToS) Agreement and why if you violated they can cancel your service or even take LEGAL actions on you... I will help you a bit on your search, you can also call Legal binding contract.

That been set, the consequence on that is up to the company (that is another story)

Yoshi-P has spoken on this. If they followed the ToS to the letter even things like discord would be against the ToS. Same with VPNs software to run gamepads or MMO mice. It would also require them to put basically spyware onto your computer, which they do not want to do, because they seem to at least somewhat respect privacy of the players unlike so many other MMOs.

[Chawan]

I don’t care about addons. .. but then i played WoW for a long time so might be biased..

How someone decides to arrange their ui or view their ui should not effect anything or anyone really.. some peoples brains process things differently so sometimes having a ui look one way or another is beneficial to some and not others. This kind of thing shouldn’t bother others.. you don’t have to use it..

As far as addons that automate in a way that it creates an unfair advantage to others.. then yes perhaps those are bad.

Addons that are help with boss fights i think maybe is a gray area.. Some people with learning difficulties can use this tool to help remember and notice things more. While others who are more normal perhaps it might create an advantage.. i think though that if people use these addons they then should probably not complain about fights being too easy.. (this kind of happened in WoW). These could be a double edged sword unfortunately..

[Havenchild]

IMO the UI mods look below average overall and the FFXIV UI is superior (with tweaking), however I am not against the options these UI mods bring to the table.

However, I also realize that a nonchalant response to them is not ideal because it also opens the gates to something like the other mods that affects GCD timing to an extent you can fit 3 oGCDs in one GCD window. Ideally the best scenario is probably they adapt the UI enhancements but take a harsher stance on some of these programs or sites hosting the more hacking type mods.

[Lanadra]

I must say.. some of the people arguing against these 'ui mods' are starting to come off as unhinged in how they go about their arguments. Like.. what on earth is even going on when racism and nazi strawmen are being brought into the discussion?

What other people choose to do with their UI and whether they use mods to do it or not really isn't anyone else's business. As I said earlier in this thread, if you see a popular streamer and their UI is quite obviously not XIV's default one.. and it really bothers you that much, report them. That is all you can do, and even then the chances of something being done are fairly slim because it isn't worth the attention when there's no doubt more important things to deal with than 'johnny's ui was blue and had white icons rather than the default!'.

Yoshida's team aren't going to take any steps to install kernel level spyware on the computers of their customers.. and you should be glad they won't because it shows that at least on some level they care about the severe security concerns that most of these anti cheat solutions bring up.