Stop the WoWificaton (ui mods)

[AziraSyuren]

ACAB includes the person who made this thread.

[Breakbeat]

No one raids above normal in WoW on the stock ui. No one.

You say a lot of baseless things. You don't know 'everyone who plays WoW', so you have no idea how everyone plays. You base your ideas off of the group of people you observe, which isn't "everyone that plays."

Put simply, you only know about:

- The streamers you may watch
- The people in your guild
- Your individual friends.

You know the behavior of, what, a hundred people? Two hundred? LMAO that ain't a drop in the bucket when it comes to determining what "all" of some group of people do.

Before I discovered addons, I raided heroic (before mythic days) with a stock UI, as did my friends. Deal.

[Sebazy]

Im curious if anyone has ever heard of a situation where someone was declined from joining a group due to being on console and/or playing with controller. That is the crux of my worry here.

If you think this is some kind of new thing, you are sorely mistaken.

Back in ARR 2.0 ~8 years ago, my world prog FC would generally turn away console players from the hardcore teams. Why? Because Twintania's dive marker wouldn't consistently load in in-time on T5. I did actually clear it with a PS3 Tank and in the end we actually had to have her on the phone to call the marker.

So uh yeah, you can thank SE themselves for setting the standard there

[Lunalepsy]

I won't name them or the link them but there is now a super popular ui modification, only available on PC that is making the game look like a popular WoW ui. I think this is a step too far (arguably damage meters already were) and since they are technically a violation of the games terms of service, its time to put the foot down and enforce the already existing rules.

It puts players who actually play by rules and/or on console at a significant disadvantage on higher end content.

Either change the TOS to allow these addons or actually enforce the fact that they are against the rules (preferred option.)

Streamers and youtubers openly defy the rules of the game using these modifications and nothing is done about it. If we are going to ignore these things, please let me know which rules are breakable and which are not.

And how does this affect you?

[Maulclaw]

How are you affected by UI mods?

Twitter mob mentality. It's actually insane how anyone can see UI mods of all things as an issue...

[LisSquid]

You can spin it however you like.

Just like you can spin my post however you see fit for your knee-jerk reaction to skimming it.

How can SE know people are running addons without:

A) User speaking about using the addon in chat.
B) Running a scanner, which is a questionable move.
C) The addon gives a clear advantage, thus being detectable by other players and actions in the game. For instance: parser just reads game data, so it does not give any advantage in the moment to the player. It cannot be used to leverage a win over another player who is not using it. This, versus a script that automates your character performance, like how bots operate.

Repeating it clearly in a little list just so I am not misinterpreted again. Love and light.

[Vanderlust]

Judging by your original post and all replies after this all seems like cope for something. How so many people in this thread defend this take is beyond me.

People using addons or mods to change the appearance of their game doesn’t hurt you in any way. Neither does parsing on a fundamental level. Players using third party tools to harass others is both rare and massively frowned upon, as well as being a very easy path to a ban. Why can’t you just let people enjoy things that differ from how what you enjoy when it affects you in virtually no way?

You mention having issues with statics demanding third party tools like parsers before accepting new members. This isn’t as black and white as you make it out to be. Not every static requires you to show logs or use a parser, and those that do tend to do so because they want to be in the very top in terms of damage, speed and rankings. Why is this so frowned upon? As long as they’re not harassing anyone using these tools why does it matter so much? If a static demands third party tools to be used and you disagree with such practices then the easy solution is to just find another static. Not to mention that statics tend to play by these rules because they’re supposed to be for people who want a little more out of their raiding experience than the coinflip you get in party finder.

All in all this whole thread is just a vent about something that affects literally no one but the person using the addons, and doesn’t warrant this kind of absurd apocalyptic view on the decisions of other people simply because you don’t like to use them yourself.

[Jojoya]

Twitter mob mentality. It's actually insane how anyone can see UI mods of all things as an issue...

WoW had its share of UI mods that created game play advantages Blizzard did not like by automatically changing colors on UI elements based on certain conditions, etc. Most UI mods don't do those things but the potential is there.

There's big difference between WoW where everyone is PC/Mac and has access to the same mods if they want to use them, a game like ESO where PC and console players have segregated servers so what the PC players do won't affect console players, and FFXIV where everyone players on the same servers. I think that's a big reason why SE says no mods. PC players would be able to do things that the console players can't.

[Waterscape]

See post#7.

Also, I made this thread because I am upset at the flaunting of it nonchalantly by streamers right now. Other games have had security protocols like "Warden" to prevent this sort of things for years. It is remarkable to me that the are okay with third party software literally modifying their code. These aren't some LUA interface files. These are no different to me than cheats or trainers for other games.

Jesus christ .. get a life man

[Arckrin]

People have double moral standards. Now because “it doesn't damage others” it is good to use… Stop that bullsht! I am sick and tired of that argument on ACT, on Bard Performance, on mods... etc. It is clear on the ToS.

"2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay."

"2.7 Modifying or Creating Derivative Software. You may not modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Game or Service in any way not expressly authorized by Square Enix, and may not make any derivative works of the Game."