Stop the WoWificaton (ui mods)

[MintnHoney]

which is why they need to start banning the buyers.

They likely already do that with their regular sweeps, even if temporary (of course, it could be permanent but I wouldn't know and don't care enough to find out). On the other hand, even if they weren't and they decided to start doing so, I don't think the bans would stop all the botting anyway.

[TheRealQuah]

I have actually indeed seen a few statics that had a hard requirement that members use cactbot, which is unavailable on console and is effectively a cheat program.

This is a positive! Gives you a giant red flag of who to stay away from, because those are bad players, looking to blame everyone but themselves for their failures.

UI Changes and Addons are just silly, and 100% unnecessary in ANY of FFXIV's Content. All they will serve to do, is add to a, "Elitist", mindset and solidifying certain jobs in the, "Muh META", mindset. Leaving those who, don't use them, or don't play X Job to make their own groups, which as the, "Elitist, and Muh META." mindset grows, so wont the communities opinion on certain jobs, and those people who choose to play them.

Totally not looking forward into getting, pushed, into using Addons and different UIs, like I was in WoW.

How do UI changes enforce a job meta? The only portion of the player base who cares about "meta" is the toxic casual part (most of the people commenting on this thread).

The high end, or "Elite" raid scene in the game don't care about addons. Don't care about "meta". Meta groups have never and will never be a thing among the "Elite" end of the playerbase.

This is 100% the concern and inevitable at this point unless SE steps in soon, and I hope they will.

Again, this is a blessing, it lets you know which groups to stay away from. These people are toxic casuals who think they are top tier raiders. You should be wanting more of this in the game, you get to add them to blacklist straightaway instead of wasting weeks raiding with them only to find they are trash,

[LittleImp]

This is a positive! Gives you a giant red flag of who to stay away from, because those are bad players, looking to blame everyone but themselves for their failures.

While I actively despise cactbot and wish this were the case, one of said groups was run by someone who had hit top 10 in all 3 ultimates. His requirement stemmed from his perception that it would make his UCOB reprog smoother.

The only portion of the player base who cares about "meta" is the toxic casual part (most of the people commenting on this thread).

The high end, or "Elite" raid scene in the game don't care about addons. Don't care about "meta". Meta groups have never and will never be a thing among the "Elite" end of the playerbase.

It's possible that the culture of the raiding scene is different over on EU, but this isn't really accurate to my experiences in NA. People do care about the meta, though it's typically restricted to speedkills and Ultimate. I run into plenty of high-end players that circlejerk about the meta in discord, and have been told on multiple occasions by top-tier players that my job choice in a level 70 ultimate is 'tantamount to griefing'.

It's by no means a widespread problem, but it definitely exists among some groups of otherwise good players.

[LittleImp]

What does this mod actually do that gives you an advantage?
What does this mod do that could lead to something like this:


I've only skimmed some of the 12 pages in this thread, so forgive me if this was answered.

Some UI mods are distributed through XIVlauncher, which also gives players access to a number of other features that give clear advantages. Some examples:

- Allows you to see player hitbox
- Can automatically find and relay hunt mobs
- Condenses combos to one button
- Allows macros to be daisy-chained
- Allows mouseover targeting without macro delay
- Gives player realtime information about mobs in PoTD
- Shows different damage types visually (magic/physical))

[Xaruko_Nexume]

While I actively despise cactbot and wish this were the case, one of said groups was run by someone who had hit top 10 in all 3 ultimates. His requirement stemmed from his perception that it would make his UCOB reprog smoother.




It's possible that the culture of the raiding scene is different over on EU, but this isn't really accurate to my experiences in NA. People do care about the meta, though it's typically restricted to speedkills and Ultimate. I run into plenty of high-end players that circlejerk about the meta in discord, and have been told on multiple occasions by top-tier players that my job choice in a level 70 ultimate is 'tantamount to griefing'.

It's by no means a widespread problem, but it definitely exists among some groups of otherwise good players.

That is the literal WoWification of this game and it is heart breaking. Even if thoe top tier players are not literally from WoW, it's the kind of sentiment that WoW created for MMORPGs. And I hate it. I almost feel misled. When I decided to come to this game 4 months ago, I saw video after video about how there is no meta, play whatever you want, some of the best players in the world are on controller. Oh well.

[Payadopa]

The idea that addons are mandatory anywhere is in your own head. Plenty of people in WoW conquer mythic content (mythic plus, and raids both) and PvP on a stock UI.

If it's just for looks or a calculator, who cares. But anything beyond that will *absolutely* be made mandatory. And besides, all it will do is create an arms race between devs and players. To think otherwise is just naive. Also, who even wants an add on where I automate certain processes? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of playing a game? I, personally, want to conquer a game by my own merits.

[LisSquid]

Reading through 14 pages of this thread makes me realize that there is an amazing lack of experience with addons. I developed addons for WoW and ESO way back, and nothing about them would give any clear advantage to FFXIV's base besides a QoL. Cactbot makes me laugh, just because SE does a phenomenal job telegraphing all the things DBM does for WoW. Been in one of those "Cactbot mandatory" statics. Never had it myself, and never advertised that I didn't. Was never called out on it just because you really get no advantage over someone just paying attention.

Funny story I have about Cactbot: I had someone in a group who really wanted to use it, and we begrudgingly let him put his bot in the Discord VC. It was so disruptive and distracting (literally talking over player calls), that we had a unanimous vote to ban it.

But, yeah, the only way to stop these are with invasive software, which other posters have said. It opens a lot of other security risks, and not sure SE wants to bother with it. When these mods actually break the game in a way that ruins the experience of another player, SE takes action. Parsers and the like don't even begin to encroach on that level of abuse, however.

[RitsukoSonoda]

which is why they need to start banning the buyers. period. market goes away, so do the bots.

I know back in FFXI they did in fact ban people buying gil as well as part of RMT countermeasures. I recall some people complaining about it back then. Though I think those that got banned for buying were probably doing it frequently enough that SE flagged them as part of the RMT account chain they were following.

[ItMe]

Some UI mods are distributed through XIVlauncher, which also gives players access to a number of other features that give clear advantages. Some examples:

- Allows you to see player hitbox
- Can automatically find and relay hunt mobs
- Condenses combos to one button
- Allows macros to be daisy-chained
- Allows mouseover targeting without macro delay
- Gives player realtime information about mobs in PoTD
- Shows different damage types visually (magic/physical))

Ah, wow...
I see.
Thank you for the information~

[Reap00]

Reading through 14 pages of this thread makes me realize that there is an amazing lack of experience with addons. I developed addons for WoW and ESO way back, and nothing about them would give any clear advantage to FFXIV's base besides a QoL. Cactbot makes me laugh, just because SE does a phenomenal job telegraphing all the things DBM does for WoW. Been in one of those "Cactbot mandatory" statics. Never had it myself, and never advertised that I didn't. Was never called out on it just because you really get no advantage over someone just paying attention.

Funny story I have about Cactbot: I had someone in a group who really wanted to use it, and we begrudgingly let him put his bot in the Discord VC. It was so disruptive and distracting (literally talking over player calls), that we had a unanimous vote to ban it.

But, yeah, the only way to stop these are with invasive software, which other posters have said. It opens a lot of other security risks, and not sure SE wants to bother with it. When these mods actually break the game in a way that ruins the experience of another player, SE takes action. Parsers and the like don't even begin to encroach on that level of abuse, however.

All addons regardless of how you decide to classify them are used in violation of the ToS. You can spin it however you like. That is the absolute fact.