Stop the WoWificaton (ui mods)

[Saraide]

It is however hard to gauge your own performance without those tools, but that is an issue with the game, not necessarily with parsing. The game doesn't tell you anything about your performance, it doesn't tell you if you're pressing your buttons in the correct order or not because there is basically no feedback from the game itself and no, the enmity meter is not in any way useful for judging your own performance.
The only somewhat useful implementation in the game itself is Stone, Sky, Sea and even that suffers from tuning issues that can make it impossible to beat on certain jobs, regardless of how good your dps actually is.

So while parsing is in no way required for good dps it is often the only way to know whether you're doing good dps or whether you have to improve.

The most important thing here however is not using a parser but wanting to improve, that's the thing that actually makes you better. For that a parser is definitely useful but no requirement. Optimal rotations have been found out by the community and are readily available for people looking for them. At that point it's just practicing the execution of them.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

Why does the bust slider stop at 100%?


Not sure if all of y'all are being disingenuous or are truly uninformed. Often times UI mods do more than just alter the appearance of the HUD, they also add additional features. If it was purely cosmetic, then no one would care and certainly no one would be worried about being excluded from any content for not having the mods installed. As I said, I'm on console so I don't use any mods nor do I spend much time investigating them, but even I... through my casual consumption of FFXIV related content on YT, discord, and other forums have caught wind of some of what some consider problematic features of some of the popular UI mods.

Yeah after going a few pages without replying, it's obvious some of the posters here, despite showing as having been here years longer than me, have absolutely no idea what is going on with the very game they are posting in the forums of. But the thread is made, the feedback is given, and past experience in other games assures me I am in the right.

It's also clear the title of the thread was poorly chosen. I should have said "third party addons" instead of just ui modifications.

Some key takeaways from this thread, people keep asking "how does it effect you?"

Because it puts those who can't use third party programs, or heaven forbid, those who prefer not to break the rules they agreed to do, at a significant disadvantage. No, rearanging and recoloring health bars in and of itself isn't a big deal. But the massive suite of plugins for the game that are readily and easily available in a popular single download, is disturbing. They do a LOT more than make your bars different.

It seems like using these programs used to be frowned upon and hidden but now streamers flaunt them daily and really throwing it in the face of those who obey the rules that they agreed to. If you really care about these addons, you should really care about this as they are just drawing attention to them. They used to try to hide it.

Of note, Asmongold doesn't use any. He has made it very clear he wants to 100% obey all the rules because he knows what will happen if he doesn't, just a single time on his stream.

[Eldtagg]

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That's just it my friend.

I do not care about others using custom interfaces. I just don't understand why anyone would use FFXIV version of elvUI (I know it's in beta) because it looks really bad.

Never heard of anyone using custom UIs to reduce load times. I learned something new today!

Reason I know to use UI mods in that other MMORPG is that, that game suffer from a UI created in 2004 and lacks the customization that FFXIV's UI has out of the box.

That games UI simply suck.

[Aron73]

That's just it my friend.

I do not care about others using custom interfaces. I just don't understand why anyone would use FFXIV version of elvUI (I know it's in beta) because it looks really bad.

Never heard of anyone using custom UIs to reduce load times. I learned something new today!

Reason I know to use UI mods in that other MMORPG is that, that game suffer from a UI created in 2004 and lacks the customization that FFXIV's UI has out of the box.

That games UI simply suck.

Well, I personally don't know why anyone would use ElvUI in FF14, considering (at least the wow version) looks exactly the same as the FF14 original UI if you set it up correctly actually, that's a lie. You do have the "weels" for mounts and pets that, in my opinion, is the only difference.
But ElfUI did improve wow a lot, but I do not know if it improves FF14, and yes ElfUI do look like crap even in wow, so the only reason I did use it was to decrease loading time and less crashes

[Adeacia]

I decided I'd add in my own view here. Though I'm just a random player so my view matters just as much as anyone else's save for the dev team.

In a single player game, have fun with mods. In a multiplayer game, play as the devs intend or don't play at all.

[Jin-]

Is it ugly and tasteless like ElvUi?

[Xaruko_Nexume]

Is it ugly and tasteless like ElvUi?

Yes. It's like, the exact same thing.

I decided I'd add in my own view here. Though I'm just a random player so my view matters just as much as anyone else's save for the dev team.

In a single player game, have fun with mods. In a multiplayer game, play as the devs intend or don't play at all.

Well said. In a single player game whatever you do only affects you. In a multiplayer game, everything you do, affects everyone else, even if indirectly and subtly.

[Aron73]

Is it ugly and tasteless like ElvUi?

You be the judge of that
https://www.reddit.com/r/WowUI/comme...elvui_profile/

[DBriggs304]

Yeah after going a few pages without replying, it's obvious some of the posters here, despite showing as having been here years longer than me, have absolutely no idea what is going on with the very game they are posting in the forums of. But the thread is made, the feedback is given, and past experience in other games assures me I am in the right.

It's also clear the title of the thread was poorly chosen. I should have said "third party addons" instead of just ui modifications.

Some key takeaways from this thread, people keep asking "how does it effect you?"

Because it puts those who can't use third party programs, or heaven forbid, those who prefer not to break the rules they agreed to do, at a significant disadvantage. No, rearanging and recoloring health bars in and of itself isn't a big deal. But the massive suite of plugins for the game that are readily and easily available in a popular single download, is disturbing. They do a LOT more than make your bars different.

It seems like using these programs used to be frowned upon and hidden but now streamers flaunt them daily and really throwing it in the face of those who obey the rules that they agreed to. If you really care about these addons, you should really care about this as they are just drawing attention to them. They used to try to hide it.

Of note, Asmongold doesn't use any. He has made it very clear he wants to 100% obey all the rules because he knows what will happen if he doesn't, just a single time on his stream.

Stop worrying about other people, especially streamers. You are being completely over the top and dramatic about this issue.

[ItMe]

What does this mod actually do that gives you an advantage?
What does this mod do that could lead to something like this:

But the more people who use them, the more people expect others to use them and it becomes a gatekeeping issue to progress in high end content. I know it for a fact, I've seen it in other games and it's already becoming a problem that will only grow. Don't use damage meters? No invite. Don't use addons to automark things? No invite.

I've only skimmed some of the 12 pages in this thread, so forgive me if this was answered.