Stop the WoWificaton (ui mods)

[ItMe]

Some UI mods are distributed through XIVlauncher, which also gives players access to a number of other features that give clear advantages. Some examples:

- Allows you to see player hitbox
- Can automatically find and relay hunt mobs
- Condenses combos to one button
- Allows macros to be daisy-chained
- Allows mouseover targeting without macro delay
- Gives player realtime information about mobs in PoTD
- Shows different damage types visually (magic/physical))

Ah, wow...
I see.
Thank you for the information~

[Hoehenflug]

Some UI mods are distributed through XIVlauncher, which also gives players access to a number of other features that give clear advantages. Some examples:

- Allows you to see player hitbox
- Can automatically find and relay hunt mobs
- Condenses combos to one button
- Allows macros to be daisy-chained
- Allows mouseover targeting without macro delay
- Gives player realtime information about mobs in PoTD
- Shows different damage types visually (magic/physical))

I don't engange in any hardcore content, but I had my LB insta silenced a couple of weeks ago and I haven't touched PvP since. I've fled WoW when Shadowmeld became obselete from the use of addons.

Stop whiteknighting for political progaganda machine abusers that aggressively breaking TOS. If you do it in your privacy, fine. But don't advertise it to the same crowd that killed WoW.

If you defend Addons, fine. But these people hurt users too. Yoshida clearly pointed out he doesn't want to get involved, but clearly disresepectful millionaires see that as an invitation to force his hand.

[Saraide]

Some UI mods are distributed through XIVlauncher, which also gives players access to a number of other features that give clear advantages. Some examples:

- Allows you to see player hitbox
- Can automatically find and relay hunt mobs
- Condenses combos to one button
- Allows macros to be daisy-chained
- Allows mouseover targeting without macro delay
- Gives player realtime information about mobs in PoTD
- Shows different damage types visually (magic/physical))

Some of them are obviously cheating like the one button combo button or the macro improvements, for others I am not that concerned. Allowing you to see your own hitbox sounds broken until you realize that encounters are not designed with that in mind and you pretty much never need to stand pixel perfect. It's great fun when you get it off but I can count the instances where it would have come up for me on one hand with 4 fingers remaining.
The different damage type thing is something I wish the game would just tell you, or atleast when you try to use type specific mitigation for something if it had an effect or not.

[georgiams]

It isn't an option for those on console and I expect console players to only go up in numbers as PS5's become easier to get and the inevitable xbox version next year. Even taking the console argument away, SE has historically done a great job making addons not feel necessary to make good progress. But the more people who use them, the more people expect others to use them and it becomes a gatekeeping issue to progress in high end content. I know it for a fact, I've seen it in other games and it's already becoming a problem that will only grow. Don't use damage meters? No invite. Don't use addons to automark things? No invite. It's time to put the foot down.

What game wont invite you if you don't have a damage meter or addons for automarking? That's ridiculous, it has nothing to do with performance.

[DBriggs304]

Only the player really knows about the mod, so unless they are advertising that they are using one, there's no real way to know. That includes wardrobe mods.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

Only the player really knows about the mod, so unless they are advertising that they are using one, there's no real way to know. That includes wardrobe mods.

How can it be that virtually every other online game out there has a way to detect and ban people using third party software? Of course there is a way for them to know. They have just thus far chosen not to know.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

How can it be that virtually every other online game out there has a way to detect and ban people using third party software? Of course there is a way for them to know. They have just thus far chosen not to know.

Its not exactly ethical for them to use most anti-cheat software. That stuff scans your entire pc, opens up lots of security holes, and can cause so many issues.


These are some of the reasons they haven't.

[MediArgentum]

Its not exactly ethical for them to use most anti-cheat software. That stuff scans your entire pc, opens up lots of security holes, and can cause so many issues.


These are some of the reasons they haven't.

There are those kinds of anti-cheats as well, sure, but those aren't the only way to scan for 3rd party tools/mods from the user. For instance, you can simply scan RAM and active CPU processes. That alone would be enough to know if you're running ACT or what have you, and it would even pick up on all of your nude skins/textures too (among other mods, UI mods or not). And all without scanning a shred of your HDD/SSD.

SE doesn't even do that much though, hence the current Fight Club rule with modding.

[Larirawiel]

For instance, you can simply scan RAM and active CPU processes.

Ohhh, it is not that easy. This is the reason why many anti-cheat-programs work like malicious rootkits. If the memory-scan-tool does not run with some special permissions then it is easy to hide processes from it. And look at the typical cheat-tools or ACT. They all need to run with Administrator rights. And if a tool runs with Administrator rights then it can do literary everything, even knocking out anti-cheat-tools. So the anti-cheat-tool need even more permissions than the Administrator so it cannot be disabled by a cheat-tool.


Cheers

[Chawan]

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That would end up a game of cat and mouse as all of those things are easily sidestepped by simply making file modifications to be something the anti cheat isn’t looking for. Kind of like what a lot of current anti cheat has to deal with. They have to constantly be scannin background processes looking for matches of known entered files, file sizes and so forth. They would also have to keep up with the modders make sure they know of the latest versions and break them. Modders often work faster and sometimes turns in to a fun game for them. And if you tune these anti cheat too much they can false flag totally normal processes. It’s kind of annoying to have to disable and sometimes completely uninstall security features on my machine just so i can play a game. I had to deal with that garbage during the days of phantasy star universe..

Besides wasn’t there talk about programs like what they would need being illegal or something where they are, or in some parts of the world?