Stop the WoWificaton (ui mods)

[Fellgon]

the funny part is: players that are interested about hard content of game, with addons that make it easier to clear, so where the difficulty? 14 have all the things inside game that wow players used to have, researching addons in the web.

[aveyond-dreams]

I don't care if someone wants to make their UI look like WoW or if they are using a damage meter to try to improve their gameplay for higher-end content. Banning these players would be catastrophic for the game's image and perception over something like this. If you are playing your job correctly and not griefing other players by dragging out instances to well beyond their standard competition time, it is extremely unlikely you will encounter any kind of harassment over gameplay.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

Been away for a few days. A few takeaways after catching up in the thread. All mods are third party tools. All mods are external applications that edit the games code your RAM. All external applications that modify the games code have access to your information that is stored in the game. The popular launcher even requires you to put your login information in it. Those things aren't opinions, they are facts. Most of us seem to agree that what other people do that doesnt effect "me" is fine. ui mods are not such a big deal. Graphic mods are not such a big deal. Even though those two are external applications which modify the games code, and are a security risk and against TOS, period. Not an opinion. Many of these mods give literal in game advantages over players who choose not to use them because they don't want to break TOS and actually try to be a decent person. Examples of the advantages these software modifying applications give has been included in the thread. Sucks.

[OdinelStarrei]

Many of these mods give literal in game advantages over players who choose not to use them because they don't want to break TOS and actually try to be a decent person.

Imagine getting on a moral relativity high horse over software modification/injection in a japanese mmorpg.

I'll make sure to disable my discord overlay if it makes me a better person, seems pretty easy to be honest.

[Hoehenflug]

Imagine getting on a moral relativity high horse over software modification/injection in a japanese mmorpg.

I'll make sure to disable my discord overlay if it makes me a better person, seems pretty easy to be honest.

It's funny how the parser crowd that goes 'casuals waste my time' literally steals gil and RL time from non-undercutters, dunk on noobs in PvP etc. 'If I can't see my abuse, it doesn't happen'. Are y'all dogs or why is it it so hard to understand ?

[LittleImp]

It's funny how the parser crowd that goes 'casuals waste my time' literally steals gil and RL time from non-undercutters, dunk on noobs in PvP etc. 'If I can't see my abuse, it doesn't happen'. Are y'all dogs or why is it it so hard to understand ?

"I don't like this group of people, therefore they must be responsible for everything bad that happens!"

I've known several people over the years who've botted/automated the game, and only one of them actually even raided. If anything, most of them were self-described casuals, some of whom had an active disdain for raiding / 'tryhards'.

[Hoehenflug]

"I don't like this group of people, therefore they must be responsible for everything bad that happens!"

I've known several people over the years who've botted/automated the game, and only one of them actually even raided. If anything, most of them were self-described casuals, some of whom had an active disdain for raiding / 'tryhards'.

That's besides the point.

Old influencers didn't use mods in respect of SE policies
People used mods moderately in silence like Parsers, Undercutters, etc., the occasional grey zone abusers like Housing

New influencers (incidentally Hardcores that destroyed WoW) come and gain money by A) disrespecting SE B) disrespecting old content creators C) making 'innocent' mods more accessible
More people will share A) the influencer and B) the mods
More people use mods and get familiar with modding
More people now know how to use harmful mods ( Auto-silencer, Bots) and will use them,
actually those are even normalized already (s. Fashionista)
More players, especially PS4, will get excluded ( no-parsers etc)
The marketboard will turn into the same botf est as in WoW
YP will need to answer because he trusted people to be moral about it

Mod advertisers are literally hurting mod users too. And UI is a mod.

[OranKells]

well if we can't play nice with mods the maybe we should just take the UI out all together. we're gonna go back to straight terminal commands. that will show them.


I don't have a strong opinion on UI mods because, and this is an important point so please pay attention, the way other people see the game does not impact me and its frankly none of my business.

That said I think the need to spend time and effort on a third party unsanctioned modification to make one game look like an old game you used to play out either a fear of unfamiliar or an inability to move on or whatever might be something worth discussing with your therapist. Maybe enjoy the game for what it is rather than what we hoped wow could have been. but again none of this effects me.

Mods will never be sanctioned for several reasons, but there is no way to stop personal use. UNLESS the mods are used to harass or bully people.

Y'all need to chill.

[Awha]

Mods have been a thing in FFXIV long before the influence of WoW creators on our ecosystem.

Though to say a mod is a mod no matter and should all be treated equally is an extremely disingenuous argument. People love to tell me shades of grey exist but why does the samething concept not seem to exist for mods. For some reason the potential harm they may cause is enough to warrent closing the boarders.

[EtherRose]

UI mods are against the ToS just like 3rd party programs. Simple, whether you like it or not. Read the ToS.