Stop the WoWificaton (ui mods)

[Absurdity]

TBH I'm pretty sure WoW doesn't require mods either. However over usage of them on that game has probably caused the skill level of the player base there to degrade to the point they can no longer play the game without them.

Actually the opposite. Most players in WoW were using boss mods to the point that the devs increased the difficulty with those boss mods in mind, so now it is basically impossible to do a high end raid encounter without those boss mods, since the base assumption for encounter design is that you're using one.

Parsers dont make you do more damage, they just show your damage output. Doing good damage is independant from parsing.

It is however hard to gauge your own performance without those tools, but that is an issue with the game, not necessarily with parsing. The game doesn't tell you anything about your performance, it doesn't tell you if you're pressing your buttons in the correct order or not because there is basically no feedback from the game itself and no, the enmity meter is not in any way useful for judging your own performance.
The only somewhat useful implementation in the game itself is Stone, Sky, Sea and even that suffers from tuning issues that can make it impossible to beat on certain jobs, regardless of how good your dps actually is.

So while parsing is in no way required for good dps it is often the only way to know whether you're doing good dps or whether you have to improve.

[Saraide]

It is however hard to gauge your own performance without those tools, but that is an issue with the game, not necessarily with parsing. The game doesn't tell you anything about your performance, it doesn't tell you if you're pressing your buttons in the correct order or not because there is basically no feedback from the game itself and no, the enmity meter is not in any way useful for judging your own performance.
The only somewhat useful implementation in the game itself is Stone, Sky, Sea and even that suffers from tuning issues that can make it impossible to beat on certain jobs, regardless of how good your dps actually is.

So while parsing is in no way required for good dps it is often the only way to know whether you're doing good dps or whether you have to improve.

The most important thing here however is not using a parser but wanting to improve, that's the thing that actually makes you better. For that a parser is definitely useful but no requirement. Optimal rotations have been found out by the community and are readily available for people looking for them. At that point it's just practicing the execution of them.

[Vortuna]

What's next, complaining about Material UI?

[Rowde]

What's next, complaining about Material UI?

Why does the bust slider stop at 100%?

Please PLEASE give examples of how someone that has a different-looking HP bar gives them an advantage over you.

Not sure if all of y'all are being disingenuous or are truly uninformed. Often times UI mods do more than just alter the appearance of the HUD, they also add additional features. If it was purely cosmetic, then no one would care and certainly no one would be worried about being excluded from any content for not having the mods installed. As I said, I'm on console so I don't use any mods nor do I spend much time investigating them, but even I... through my casual consumption of FFXIV related content on YT, discord, and other forums have caught wind of some of what some consider problematic features of some of the popular UI mods.

[Krojack]

If it was purely cosmetic, then no one would care

But they are just cosmetic. I've looked at them.

The only people that complain about this are either console people sad because they can't do this or the self-righteous people that feel they need to police the game themselves. They don't care that it has no effect on them, they just need to feel like they are powerful and got someone banned.

[Wavaryen]

But they are just cosmetic. I've looked at them.

The only people that complain about this are either console people sad because they can't do this or the self-righteous people that feel they need to police the game themselves. They don't care that it has no effect on them, they just need to feel like they are powerful and got someone banned.

Not just cosmetic, the launcher has some really neat non cosmetic stuff. Like i said the combo combiner that turns your hotbar into pvp system. A hunt msg that tells you when someone spots a hunt monster in chat. When full GP a sound is made. So you can watch something while waiting on gp to recharge. Lots of neat stuff.

I think it even has a min cachpot helper that shows you what areas to do (even though dont really need it.)


I see nothing wrong with them myself, but to each own.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

Why does the bust slider stop at 100%?


Not sure if all of y'all are being disingenuous or are truly uninformed. Often times UI mods do more than just alter the appearance of the HUD, they also add additional features. If it was purely cosmetic, then no one would care and certainly no one would be worried about being excluded from any content for not having the mods installed. As I said, I'm on console so I don't use any mods nor do I spend much time investigating them, but even I... through my casual consumption of FFXIV related content on YT, discord, and other forums have caught wind of some of what some consider problematic features of some of the popular UI mods.

Yeah after going a few pages without replying, it's obvious some of the posters here, despite showing as having been here years longer than me, have absolutely no idea what is going on with the very game they are posting in the forums of. But the thread is made, the feedback is given, and past experience in other games assures me I am in the right.

It's also clear the title of the thread was poorly chosen. I should have said "third party addons" instead of just ui modifications.

Some key takeaways from this thread, people keep asking "how does it effect you?"

Because it puts those who can't use third party programs, or heaven forbid, those who prefer not to break the rules they agreed to do, at a significant disadvantage. No, rearanging and recoloring health bars in and of itself isn't a big deal. But the massive suite of plugins for the game that are readily and easily available in a popular single download, is disturbing. They do a LOT more than make your bars different.

It seems like using these programs used to be frowned upon and hidden but now streamers flaunt them daily and really throwing it in the face of those who obey the rules that they agreed to. If you really care about these addons, you should really care about this as they are just drawing attention to them. They used to try to hide it.

Of note, Asmongold doesn't use any. He has made it very clear he wants to 100% obey all the rules because he knows what will happen if he doesn't, just a single time on his stream.

[Krojack]

I wonder if you also try to have your local elected officials make laws banning something your next-door neighbor does in the privacy of their own home that has ZERO effect on your life. If you aren't, well you're doing that exact same thing here.

It puts players who actually play by rules and/or on console at a significant disadvantage on higher end content.

Please PLEASE give examples of how someone that has a different-looking HP bar gives them an advantage over you.

[SenseiMaria]

Im curious if anyone has ever heard of a situation where someone was declined from joining a group due to being on console and/or playing with controller. That is the crux of my worry here.

A very good friend of mine did World Progression on TEA on PS4 and has week 1 killed every savage since Deltascape in Stormblood before all of the various add-ons get updates.

Your UI doesn't substitute for skill. Hence why 99.9% of statics will take you for a test trial to gauge your skill in person first before making a decision. If a group mandates add-on usage while ignoring a player's skill, that's their loss, but it's a blessing in disguise; it gives you a giant red flag to avoid.

[Livilda]

Just report them and move on.
I don't see why that's so hard to understand, let alone why you didn't think of it in the first place.