Stop the WoWificaton (ui mods)

[Livilda]

Just report them and move on.
I don't see why that's so hard to understand, let alone why you didn't think of it in the first place.

[AlyaNimfa]

It doesn't affect anyone elses gameplay and cant be used against players like meters can, so what is the issue?

In saying that.. I don't know why anyone would bother with them. I came from that other game and it was so nice to have a built in UI customization tool! I can't see a reason to use over what's already there.

[KageTokage]

I don't see what the fuss about UI mods is when they do basically nothing to actually give players an advantage over others as opposed to things like the call-out bots that can ID vague mechanics before they've even been properly telegraphed.

[Larirawiel]

We will see when I get there, and I will. One of the big appeals to me when starting this game 4 months ago was not having to worry about third party addons and console play. It was like a breath of fresh air. Only to realize those things are still an issue apparently, even though they officially aren't as long as we *wink wink nudge nudge* But the flaunting of it by some streamers, particularly high end raid streamers that have come from WoW is disturbing. I just wish they would take a hard stance one way or another and be done with it and I feel all the recent flaunting if going to bring it to a head that it hasn't in the past.

I wish also that SE had a hard stance here. But then say good bye to NSFW-mods, to bard player mods etc. It would affect literary every modification the players use even the harmless ones. Because there is no chance to find out whether a modification is dangerous or not.

And seriously, i see still no WoWification here. And what streamers do i simply don't care.

Cheers

[Garnix]

As a console player, I have to say....I don't care.
If people enjoy it better this way, good for them.
XIV is not a competitive game so I don't care if it gives some players "advantages".
The lack of a damage meter is a much bigger problem for console players.

[Halivel]

How can it be that virtually every other online game out there has a way to detect and ban people using third party software? Of course there is a way for them to know. They have just thus far chosen not to know.

Because Yoshida explicitly said during his speech about ACT that scanning our PCs is illegal. Lest you forget, SE is a Japanese company located in Japan, and they have different laws to abide to.

"We cannot do anything, if people have a little window on their screen showing ACT. We don't want to "scan" your computer for the software you have installed, that's against the law anyway. There are additional plugins for ACT that influence game play a lot, this is breaking game balance and is target of more severe penalties"

This is a direct quote from translation done by Reddit team during LL from 6th February, 2020. You can still find it in their Discord.


That being said, you still don't need to worry about mods and 3rd party tools even if they are there. No one can force you to use them, especially considering they're against the ToS. If you see people demanding you to or harassing over not using/doing something 3rd party tool related, especially in game chat - report, you have full right to do so in this situation.

[Saraide]

Unfortunately, this may run the risk of creating community expectation for mods. That expectation already exists for certain mods and websites that measure damage. Communities in this game expect you to be familiar with measuring damage using third-party tools, otherwise you’re left out if you don’t get good numbers using those tools. That’s just an example, but it could easily happen to UI mods that cater to the exact same individuals. I don’t think Square Enix is going to do anything about it. It’s safer for the company to be oblivious to it. The best hope for FFXIV right now is for the console version to grow in popularity so that more endgame communities cater to console players that can’t use third-party mods.

Parsers dont make you do more damage, they just show your damage output. Doing good damage is independant from parsing.

[Absurdity]

TBH I'm pretty sure WoW doesn't require mods either. However over usage of them on that game has probably caused the skill level of the player base there to degrade to the point they can no longer play the game without them.

Actually the opposite. Most players in WoW were using boss mods to the point that the devs increased the difficulty with those boss mods in mind, so now it is basically impossible to do a high end raid encounter without those boss mods, since the base assumption for encounter design is that you're using one.

Parsers dont make you do more damage, they just show your damage output. Doing good damage is independant from parsing.

It is however hard to gauge your own performance without those tools, but that is an issue with the game, not necessarily with parsing. The game doesn't tell you anything about your performance, it doesn't tell you if you're pressing your buttons in the correct order or not because there is basically no feedback from the game itself and no, the enmity meter is not in any way useful for judging your own performance.
The only somewhat useful implementation in the game itself is Stone, Sky, Sea and even that suffers from tuning issues that can make it impossible to beat on certain jobs, regardless of how good your dps actually is.

So while parsing is in no way required for good dps it is often the only way to know whether you're doing good dps or whether you have to improve.

[Eldtagg]

I've seen the UI in streams and it's seriously so ugly (beta or not) that I don't understand why anyone would use it, but each to their own.

Reason to use it in that other game is that the standard UI in that game is horrid and non-functional.

FFXIV already have what that UI is offering from the get-go.
/shrug

[Aron73]

I've seen the UI in streams and it's seriously so ugly (beta or not) that I don't understand why anyone would use it, but each to their own.

Reason to use it in that other game is that the standard UI in that game is horrid and non-functional.

FFXIV already have what that UI is offering from the get-go.
/shrug

I can tell you why people use UI mods, including myself back in wow, and that's because they reduce load time due to using less memory by ALLOT
Now I do not know an exact number, but it is noticeable.
Now my question to you is: Why do you care after all it does not affect you?
I don't mind people using mods. As a matter of fact, I do endorse it. However, considering the rules in Final Fantasy, I used a few mods in wow that I would not use here; like Max DPS, it is a mod that helps you with an optimal rotation for your class, and I do consider it cheating. Now graphical mods, I do not mind, and also a DPS meter if not used to flame other players for being slightly lower DPS than you.
Now I understand entirely why square have band mods entirely, and that's because it doesn't allow any opening in interpretations of rules, and it keeps us all on a level playing field, but from what I seen and heard on streams, some mods they look between the fingers and in the end it's up to them I'm definitely not going to report someone for using a graphics mod that improves the look of the game no matter if it's a UI or overall graphics