Please Square/Enix let me choose how I can Play my Warrior...

[Aneshda]

I find it very funny that OP never replies to ANY of the constructive responses.
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Dear Aneshda,

Common sense is a thing, and the world lives with it. You might want to be "out of the box", but common sense will weigh you back down. Therefore, you should (if possible) have some of it, too. SE might add some more flashy skills to make it seem like WAR is doing big damage, but it will never - EVER - be a DPS (or DD as you keep calling it).

If the game is causing you so much distress, I suggest you leave it and play something else to have a peace of mind.

Sincerely,
A concerned fellow FF14 Player.

- You are Level 71, play Trust
- Play another Job
- You are a bad Player
- Maybe Samuari would be something
- I don't understand what you are asking for
- Tanks are Tanks
- Warriors are Tanks, change your Job
- Go to Bozja
- Your mentality ...
- May I ask you if you started recently and if you bought your Job till Level 70?
- Is this a Troll ?
- They have quite a few Level 80's and they haven't done any content .... #45
- Don't play a Warrior then
- Another Titanmen alt ...
- OP is in a big surprise when they try to Heal or dps .... (Not that my Main Class was Scholar)
- Nah they're just a normal german player with an amazingly bad take this time around
- You're asking for something that isn't going to happen, period. That's what is wrong with you. (You work for SE?)
- You should be embarrassed how you're handling yourself right now (right just pretend Comment #59 was all okay)
- OP is the one going off the rails
- Everyone's response.
- I find it very funny that OP never replies to ANY of the constructive responses.
- Go ahead and re-read your original post. It's not a "simple request" that you made. (I did. If i am Tank / then you are DD or Healer! If you as Healer pull Mobs and abuse often Rescue on a Tank to pull him into the Mobs you have pulled, that is okay for you? If you pull as DD and die and blame me then for it, because you are not willing to let Tanks do their Job. Who do you blame, when you did your Job but Healer and DD won't let you do it? Do you see your logic?)
- The other half of the comments i can't list here cause those Players won a Place in my Ignore List.


Show me the constructive one in this List of Answers ....

[RitsukoSonoda]

So what I get from all this is that the OP wants to play a tank without actually being a tank in group content and came here to complain about negative experiences they had when they tried to force this on other people in game that were caused by their own cancerous attitude and behavior which has continued into this thread as well. At which point when they finally realized they were getting nowhere they then resorted to accusing people in the thread as being racist while displaying a lack of understanding what racism actually is. At this point the OP needs to go do some self reflection on their behavior and actions. They claim to be an adult but displayed the mental maturity of an 8yr old through this entire thread.

[Ferra]

I think folks have been misunderstanding the OP's original point. I don't think it's a question of if they know how to play their class, it's more "I want to do DPS with an axe" which, y'know, makes sense. There isn't any DPS that fits that kind of fantasy: In fact the only DPS jobs that use two handed melee weapons are Dragoon and Samurai.

Personally I think it would be a great thing to have someone with a big thing and just going, "haha puny go squish". Maybe a Berserker job or something? I think that would be pretty neat myself!

EDIT: I looked back on some of the earlier posts...How did this thread become such a dumpster fire?

[Steelbreaker25]

- You are Level 71, play Trust
- Play another Job
- You are a bad Player
- Maybe Samuari would be something
- I don't understand what you are asking for
- Tanks are Tanks
- Warriors are Tanks, change your Job
- Go to Bozja
- Your mentality ...
- May I ask you if you started recently and if you bought your Job till Level 70?
- Is this a Troll ?
- They have quite a few Level 80's and they haven't done any content .... #45
- Don't play a Warrior then
- Another Titanmen alt ...
- OP is in a big surprise when they try to Heal or dps .... (Not that my Main Class was Scholar)
- Nah they're just a normal german player with an amazingly bad take this time around
- You're asking for something that isn't going to happen, period. That's what is wrong with you. (You work for SE?)
- You should be embarrassed how you're handling yourself right now (right just pretend Comment #59 was all okay)
- OP is the one going off the rails
- Everyone's response.
- I find it very funny that OP never replies to ANY of the constructive responses.
- Go ahead and re-read your original post. It's not a "simple request" that you made. (I did. If i am Tank / then you are DD or Healer! If you as Healer pull Mobs and abuse often Rescue on a Tank to pull him into the Mobs you have pulled, that is okay for you? If you pull as DD and die and blame me then for it, because you are not willing to let Tanks do their Job. Who do you blame, when you did your Job but Healer and DD won't let you do it? Do you see your logic?)
- The other half of the comments i can't list here cause those Players won a Place in my Ignore List.


Show me the constructive one in this List of Answers ....

Most of the advice you got early on is spot on, and is recommended to basically anybody asking for advice. In fact, several of those are literally the same thing: try a different class or role. If you aren't having fun doing WAR, then find something else that is fun. I personally stick to tanking, because I can barely remember the long rotations on most DPS, and when I do play DPS I mostly stick to MCH for its relatively much simpler rotation.

As far as changing WAR to be more DPS or whatever, the biggest reason everybody says it is highly unlikely they will ever change how they do it is because there's about 8 years of precedence of them not doing that. It's not just a matter of thinking "well, they haven't yet," the developers have a very clear vision on how classes work, and they haven't deviated from that. In fact, they've gone in the opposite direction, making the roles more clearly locked in place and defined, such as by the removal of the cross class skills.

The rest isn't really advice, just arguing.

[DeaconMoore]

Let us Tanks choose our Role in Dungeons. I love my Warrior but I get everyday treated like crap in Dungeons and that is not acceptable. It costs my fun while Healers and DD's do as they wish and treat me like a Slave. Enough is enough, there is just so much <----> left I can take, before I leave this Game. Let us choose between DD / Tank.

If i want shit then I have plenty of it in my real Live, I don't need it here. I have never asked for it. A Game should be fun but not like this. I enter a Dungeon, say Hello and try to do my Job as best as I can. But then suddenly Hell breaks loose cause the Healer forgot his Job or the DD's thinks they are now the Tank's and if all dies, I get blamed for it. Just because other Tanks pulls everything like there is no tomorrow, doesn't mean that everyone will do that.

And I swear by Lord Zodiark if all goes to Hell, none of those other Players in Dungeons will ever tell you that laying on the cold Floor was not your fault.

Game design such as it is in FFXIV isn't like WoW where jobs are sometimes multi-role with different specs. Instead the idea here is if you want to play a different role you play a different job. That concept is why you can unlock every single job on your character but in a game like WoW you can't. Without a dramatic shift in game design philosophy for FFXIV, your request for multi-role jobs will go unanswered. Your only viable option is to play a different job if you don't want to tank.

Think of it this way: Warrior is your characters tank spec, you don't want to tank, so change specs. WoW limits you to 3 specs per character (save druids 4) FFXIV gives every character every spec.

[Darkstride]

- Go ahead and re-read your original post. It's not a "simple request" that you made. (I did. If i am Tank / then you are DD or Healer! If you as Healer pull Mobs and abuse often Rescue on a Tank to pull him into the Mobs you have pulled, that is okay for you? If you pull as DD and die and blame me then for it, because you are not willing to let Tanks do their Job. Who do you blame, when you did your Job but Healer and DD won't let you do it? Do you see your logic?)

At no point was I debating who is at fault for causing failures in a dungeon. You're the one who keeps pushing this. What I'm referring to is your approach to this thread.

You're acting as though you innocently came in with a reasonable request that Warrior should be allowed to do more than one role. That's not how it was presented. Instead you wrote your post as though you're a victim of being a tank and everyone else is the problem so you should be able to play however you want. Do the situations you described happen? Sure. Are tanks sometimes bad? Also, yes. No role is perfect all the time. Your post comes off as aggressive toward other players rather than trying to actually showcase why you think Warrior as DPS would be a positive addition.

Even now, your responses continue to be defensive and you don't appear to be open to an actual conversation. You're so fixated on showcasing how other players are ruining your job experience. The devs aren't going to read youre thread and even if they did, it's not presented in a way that anyone meaningful would take seriously. Who is supposed to be your audience here?
All you've done is continue to be negative and make yourself completely impossible to sympathize with.

To the point of multi-roles for jobs, I for one always love having flexibility and customization. Unfortunately this game was jjst not designed that way, and it's doubtful we will ever see it come to pass. We already sort of saw it with Summomer and Scholar and they said they'll never do that again. I think we just have to accept at this point that XIV sticks to the roles aside from sidequest zones like Eureka and Bozja.

I understand that you want to play Warrior as a DPS, but are you open to trying other jobs that may feel similar? Otherwise if you continue to play Warrior, then as others have said it is essentially a DPS with Tank responsibility. I get the frustration of tanking sometimes, but honestly every job has frustration that comes with other roles. I primarily DPS and I can't even keep count of how many times I've had tanks do stupid things. But it's not the end of the world and I move on.

[Arillyn]

EDIT: I looked back on some of the earlier posts...How did this thread become such a dumpster fire?

Because from what I have read through the OP got super angry, aggressive & hostile with people were reasonably replying to them.

An aside - the first thing to jump out at me was how OP was responding to people. It reminded me of the person who wanted to argue about seasons, even some of the turns of phrases.

[AnotherPerson]

Show me the constructive one in this List of Answers ....

Let us Tanks choose our Role in Dungeons..

Wonder what's wrong with you all? I wrote I like my WARRIOR and I want to be able to choose my Role in Dungeons, between DD / Tank. And what is the answers I get?

Jobs can only do one role each. The upside is that you can play all jobs on one character and swap between them as often as you wish.

The Warrior job was designed as a tank. For them to queue as a DPS, they would need a kit overhaul, or rather a different, secondary kit for DPS. If they do this for Warrior, then they must do this for other classes as well, meaning a whole bunch of alternate kits to be designed, balanced, tested, etc. What you are asking for is no small feat and doesn't fit with the game's design. Instead of playing one class with a few 'specialization' options, you get to play all the classes, each with their own set role. Such is the class/job system in FFXIV.

All I posted was that I would like to choose how I play my Warrior, that I would like to choose between Tank / DD. But you all came to my Posting and thought it would be a great idea to make here a havoc of a simple Thread.

Go ahead and re-read your original post. It's not a "simple request" that you made. You came in with a rant about how everyone else makes tanking a bad experience for you. You didn't create a post designed for constructive conversations about the real benefits of choosing role. Instead, you focused on why you should play how you want because of your disdain for others. If you're going to start a thread with negativity, then you've already set the tone for what follows.

People have been answering, you just ignored what they were talking about or somehow didn't read them fully?

To answer your original post:

Content is designed and meant to be cleared with a particular set of roles in place:
4 man content - 1 tank, 1 healer, 2 DPS.
8 man content - 2 tanks, 2 healers, 4 DPS.
8 man Alliance Raids - 1 tank, 2 healers, 5 DPS.

If you were a warrior (a tank) going into the dungeon (4 man content) through Duty Finder and chose to not to tank, then who's the tank in the dungeon soaking the huge damage? The DPS or healer? Their HP and defense isn't high enough.

All jobs in this game only have one role - because their skillsets are designed for a particular role. To have jobs do multiple roles, the devs would have to make a completely separate skillset for that particular role - which is essentially designing another job from scratch. That's not feasible at all, with how much effort it takes to make one job and continue to expand on it for future expansions. What you're suggesting essentially triples the number of "jobs" we have. It's completely irrational to think the dev team can design 36 new jobs when they're already put under pressure to update 18 jobs' skillsets, not to mention how much effort it takes to add one to two new jobs every expansion. To save time to work on other things in the expansion, they even had to cut individual Job Quest Stories with Role Quests.

Now you tell me, do you think what you're asking is very feasible?

[Mimilu]

- You are Level 71, play Trust
- Play another Job
- You are a bad Player
- Maybe Samuari would be something
- I don't understand what you are asking for
- Tanks are Tanks
- Warriors are Tanks, change your Job
- Go to Bozja
- Your mentality ...
- May I ask you if you started recently and if you bought your Job till Level 70?
- Is this a Troll ?
- They have quite a few Level 80's and they haven't done any content .... #45
- Don't play a Warrior then
- Another Titanmen alt ...
- OP is in a big surprise when they try to Heal or dps .... (Not that my Main Class was Scholar)
- Nah they're just a normal german player with an amazingly bad take this time around
- You're asking for something that isn't going to happen, period. That's what is wrong with you. (You work for SE?)
- You should be embarrassed how you're handling yourself right now (right just pretend Comment #59 was all okay)
- OP is the one going off the rails
- Everyone's response.
- I find it very funny that OP never replies to ANY of the constructive responses.
- Go ahead and re-read your original post. It's not a "simple request" that you made. (I did. If i am Tank / then you are DD or Healer! If you as Healer pull Mobs and abuse often Rescue on a Tank to pull him into the Mobs you have pulled, that is okay for you? If you pull as DD and die and blame me then for it, because you are not willing to let Tanks do their Job. Who do you blame, when you did your Job but Healer and DD won't let you do it? Do you see your logic?)
- The other half of the comments i can't list here cause those Players won a Place in my Ignore List.


Show me the constructive one in this List of Answers ....

There, I underlined the constructive ones.
At the end of the day, XIV uses a trinity-system, where jobs fall under one of three categories: Tank, Healer, and DPS.
Warrior is a Tank in this game. The dev team have said countless times they're not going to do branching jobs anymore since balancing SMN and SCH was too much for them and aren't going to try anything like skill-trees.
It's one thing to make a fun thread for a pipe dream, it's another thing to be actively aggressive and rude to people who are telling you straight facts or are trying to understand what it is you want. :B

[SilverObi]

Wow I wasn't expecting this kind of reaction, but uhh before someone maybe misunderstands (maybe too late for OP) I phrased my response to the person I quoted (not OP) who jokingly floated the idea that this was another "Titanmen Brand" thread so I went and checked OP's post history for a lark. I put in German because so far no regular GD forum troll has used other languages besides English in their posts so this was unlikely to be our standard troll post and just someone with a bad take and a bad attitude. But yeah that was just an assumption on my part, OP could be from any number of nations that use German as an official language, so my bad.