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  1. #1
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    Gouka_Grimm's Avatar
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    Gouka Grimm
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    Goblin
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    Red Mage Lv 72

    Dark Knight doesn't feel special in 5.0

    The team working on Final Fantasy XIV is fantastic. They listen to the players, they care for our experience with the game, and they all just want us to have a great time. This is more than can be said about a lot of teams and I respect them greatly for this but I can't help but feel that Dark Knight has been an exception to this.

    Dark Knight has been my main job since I started in Stormblood. It was a fast paced job with MP management which I found extremely fun. You wanted to use Dark Arts to buff certain actions at the cost of MP for more damage or differing effects. You never wanted to be too low on MP that you couldn't use The Blackest Night, your major mitigation tool, but you also wanted to use Dark Arts as much as you possibly could. You were playing this balancing act between the two while you couldn't naturally regain MP or get it from outside sources. How was this fixed? Dark Knight handled it's MP by itself, it would use actions such as Syphon Strike, Sole Survivor for a gain later, Blood Weapon which also had a haste, Blood price for small MP gains when you were hit, and even Delirium which would give you enough MP for a use of Dark Arts as well as extending the effect of Blood Weapon or Blood Price equal to it's maximum duration which would double it's duration.

    The job was a bit clunky but it was fun, rewarding, felt fast, and it felt a bit complex. Shadowbringers, the same expansion that has Dark Knight as the poster job, took away all of that in an attempt to make it less clunky. It has become a job where it's MP management is barely there, it feels sluggish due to how long it takes to be able to use any oGCDs or Blood Spiller, and worst of all, Delirium just felt like it was copied from Warrior. The job lost it's identity in it's own expansion. I hoped this job would return to glory in the next expansion but I was shot down the second I watched that live letter. Keeping the 5.0 changes and despite any additions, it still feels like DRK has nothing. Later in the live letter, they bring up White Mage and Holy, saying they didn't want to give every healer something like Holy because it would feel lazy and tacked on. This made me feel like they had completely ignored what they had done to DRK in it's own expansion. A prime example of what I would consider a lazy and tacked on design choice yet they keep it as is making it feel like they don't notice the problem or just don't care.

    The job no longer feels special or unique, it just feels like a poor imitation of Warrior or Paladin in it's current state.
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    Bhearil's Avatar
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    Tuya Bayaqud
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    Balmung
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    Bard Lv 52
    Welcome to the Black Lambs Club alongside Scholar, Monk (hope this time leaves the fold), and Machinist, hope you enjoy your stay!!
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  3. #3
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    Letho Orwyth
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Reaper was looking pretty cool anyway
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    Nyarlha Moonstalker
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    Do we really need an umpteenth DRK thread?
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    Mekhana Souther
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyarlha View Post
    Do we really need an umpteenth DRK thread?
    We're not DRKs if we do not brood.
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  6. #6
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    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyarlha View Post
    Do we really need an umpteenth DRK thread?
    Agreed. If the discussion were contained in the megathread it could get large enough SQEX would look at it.
    Let's be constructive with our approach, especially since they've been clear about how they ignore small threads.
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  7. #7
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    Vann Wood
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    Dark Knight Lv 83
    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    Agreed. If the discussion were contained in the megathread it could get large enough SQEX would look at it.
    Let's be constructive with our approach, especially since they've been clear about how they ignore small threads.
    Let’s be fair, SQEX doesn’t pay attention to any DRK threads or they wouldn’t have put out 5.x or 6.x. Brood away fellow former DRKs.
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  8. #8
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    Yagrush Dire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekhana View Post
    We're not DRKs if we do not brood.
    Does that mean us Warriors get to make Rage threads? If so im down.
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  9. #9
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    Welcome to the (new) age! It's the price we pay for more players
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  10. #10
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    Gouka Grimm
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    Goblin
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    Red Mage Lv 72
    I made this just to get my thoughts out there even though I know I'm just screaming into a brick wall like every other Dark Knight. It's irritating but I've got my voice out there. It's not all of my thoughts but it sums up my thoughts as well as I could.
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