Idea to make DF raids less annoying for tanks.

[Goji1639]

I can.

It's zero

Your deductive reasoning skills are very impressive.

Its easy? If other tank has tank stance on, they can tank, i drop mine. I've been tanking for... 8 years now almost, and I can count the number of times its REALLY been an issue (outside of just people being morons in alliance raids, which, this wouldn't solve anyway) on one hand.

Didn't say it wasn't easy; I said it was tedious. Everything in this game is easy, so the goal is to simply make things less annoying. I'm glad this doesn't annoy you, but it annoys me enough that I'd be willing to endure actually having shirk on my hotbar to get rid of it.

[Rowde]

Didn't say it wasn't easy; I said it was tedious. Everything in this game is easy, so the goal is to simply make things less annoying. I'm glad this doesn't annoy you, but it annoys me enough that I'd be willing to endure actually having shirk on my hotbar to get rid of it.

[Jeeqbit]

This would get rid of that awkward "who's going to MT" moment at the beginning of every run; it would stop tanks from provoking back and forth mid fight for no reason and it would stop OT's from intentionally cleaving groups.

There doesn't have to be an awkward moment, just turn on tank stance and pull the boss. Whoever is holding aggro obviously is the main tank.

[Rilifane]

There doesn't have to be an awkward moment, just turn on tank stance and pull the boss. Whoever is holding aggro obviously is the main tank.

That's how it's usually done.
Most tanks will simply turn on stance, someone pulls and whoever is holding aggro gets to keep it while the rest either turns stance off or neatly stacks with the current MT. The occasional aggro fight happens but changing the system as suggested would create more problems than it solves.
Splitting the queue for tanks will increase queue time even further because tanks already tend to have the longest queue and it deprives tanks of the option to step in if someone doesn't appear to know what they're doing or dc'ing.

[Penthea]

This would get rid of that awkward "who's going to MT" moment at the beginning of every run; it would stop tanks from provoking back and forth mid fight for no reason and it would stop OT's from intentionally cleaving groups.

Every run? I rarely see stalling happening because of tanks. Most stalling I see is because people need mechanics unrelated to tanking explained to them. And even then the stalling doesn't last long aside from week 1 and 2 of new content, which is to be expected.

Your suggestion would create problems. First of all not all encounters are tanked by only one tank. There are numerous examples of when each tank needs to tank something at the same time because it's impossible for only one tank to do it. Some fights require planned tank swaps, and sometimes a tank dcs or dies meaning another tank has to pick up the boss. Anyone who flagged themselves as OT would be putting themselves at a disadvantage in those encounters, which would mean the entire group is at a disadvantage due to OTs being essentially debuffed.

There would be more stalling due to the problems your suggestion would create. Replacing one problem with another set of problems isn't a fix. And this isn't something I think even needs a fix.

[Goji1639]

Every run? I rarely see stalling happening because of tanks. Most stalling I see is because people need mechanics unrelated to tanking explained to them. And even then the stalling doesn't last long aside from week 1 and 2 of new content, which is to be expected.

Your suggestion would create problems. First of all not all encounters are tanked by only one tank. There are numerous examples of when each tank needs to tank something at the same time because it's impossible for only one tank to do it. Some fights require planned tank swaps, and sometimes a tank dcs or dies meaning another tank has to pick up the boss. Anyone who flagged themselves as OT would be putting themselves at a disadvantage in those encounters, which would mean the entire group is at a disadvantage due to OTs being essentially debuffed.

There would be more stalling due to the problems your suggestion would create. Replacing one problem with another set of problems isn't a fix. And this isn't something I think even needs a fix.

Nothing you've said is actually an issue, though. OT could still take aggro easily off the rest of the group; only provoke would be weaker than the MTs. Can still perform tank swaps using Shirk, and OT can still OT.

[Poporito_Popoto]

Can't wait to read about how to make DF raids less annoying for healers.

[Doru_Nintendan]

Can't wait to read about how to make DF raids less annoying for healers.

I can see it now. Queue either as the "Healer for only tanks" or the "Healer for only DPS." Or even, "Queue as Glare/Broil/Malefic Mage or Curebot.EXE"

May Yoshi-P have mercy on our souls if that actually happens.

[Goji1639]

I can see it now. Queue either as the "Healer for only tanks" or the "Healer for only DPS." Or even, "Queue as Glare/Broil/Malefic Mage or Curebot.EXE"

May Yoshi-P have mercy on our souls if that actually happens.

Healers don't have 2 different roles in a raid, so 2 different queues wouldn't make sense.

[Penthea]

Nothing you've said is actually an issue, though. OT could still take aggro easily off the rest of the group; only provoke would be weaker than the MTs. Can still perform tank swaps using Shirk, and OT can still OT.

You fail to consider that if one MT dies there would be two OTs left in an alliance raid, which would land the group in the problem you're trying to fix - tanks with equally powerful provokes using it on the same target.

You also fail to consider that provoke is an excellent tool for a tank who knows what they are doing to take the boss off of a tank who does not. A boss facing the wrong way or being in the wrong place can cause a wipe. Sometimes the best thing to do is force yourself into the MT position to save the pull. And with your suggestion this sometimes would be impossible to do.