Samurai have positionals?!

[Kolsykol]

The answer is yes some people who live in a perpetual state of denial will say that it doesn't matter and that the loss in dps is small but those people are wrong.

[Nothv13]

The answer is yes some people who live in a perpetual state of denial will say that it doesn't matter and that the loss in dps is small but those people are wrong.

Someone actually did a test, and yes in eth vast majority of content and ways of playing, they do not matter. They only matter if want to the highest parse possible. Everything, and I mean everything can be cleared easily with ample dps from the Sam without giving a lick about them.

[wereotter]

Someone actually did a test, and yes in eth vast majority of content and ways of playing, they do not matter. They only matter if want to the highest parse possible. Everything, and I mean everything can be cleared easily with ample dps from the Sam without giving a lick about them.

I'll repeat to you what I said to another poster.

Please stop encouraging people to play poorly. Doing positional attacks is such a simple thing to do, and if you're too lazy to do them, then you shouldn't play a melee job. Not moving to hit from the proper side would be like saying you just want to delete dream within a dream, elixir field, or jump from your hotbar since you can still clear content without doing one OGCD. It's free damage, you move between doing your skills, and it DOES add to your total damage. If you're a samurai, you're not doing a thing to help anyone else in the party do more damage, so you better be doing every bit of damage you personally can so you're not useless, and that includes taking a few steps to the left and right every few moves to hit the enemy from the appropriate side.

[AziraSyuren]

Missing positionals on SAM is just an "aw man" rather than a "NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY PARSE!"

SAM isn't the kind of job where you should risk dying to hit positionals, but they're still very important if you want to be doing your best. They also make the job more fun by giving it a nice rhythm, so why not at least try to hit them?

[Nothv13]

I'll repeat to you what I said to another poster.

Please stop encouraging people to play poorly. Doing positional attacks is such a simple thing to do, and if you're too lazy to do them, then you shouldn't play a melee job. Not moving to hit from the proper side would be like saying you just want to delete dream within a dream, elixir field, or jump from your hotbar since you can still clear content without doing one OGCD. It's free damage, you move between doing your skills, and it DOES add to your total damage. If you're a samurai, you're not doing a thing to help anyone else in the party do more damage, so you better be doing every bit of damage you personally can so you're not useless, and that includes taking a few steps to the left and right every few moves to hit the enemy from the appropriate side.

Until they stop with the beyblade bosses your entire point is moot. You will lose more dps than you gain trying to hit positionals on a boss that is constantly turning. The positionals are literally the last thing you should focus on after rotation, pots, and mechanics. If you can hit them? Good, if not, it is not a big loss. They are only important if you are going for top parsing, and those are the very small minority of people in the game. Its not a matter of encouraging them to play poorly, it is a matter of prioritizing the parts that actually make up the vast majority of your DPS. The only melee class I'd even mention positions on as a major factor in performance is monk. All the rest? if you hit them, you hit them. If not no reason to get bent out of shape and think you suck. Even on Dragoon, just fucking around you'll hit a good portion of the positionals just by sitting on eth edge of the side and rear of the mob without really trying to actually hit them.

Missing positionals on SAM is just an "aw man" rather than a "NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY PARSE!"

SAM isn't the kind of job where you should risk dying to hit positionals, but they're still very important if you want to be doing your best. They also make the job more fun by giving it a nice rhythm, so why not at least try to hit them?

Rythmn... on bosses that like to spin to their target for each attack. To you they make it more fun, to others it is just an annoyance. Also I've seen people lose dps by trying to hit positionals as they end up either out of position as the boss moves are delaying GCDs. So it really is ak hit if you can, but don't go out of your way for it, with the only exception being likely monk since he has so many positionals.

[Mimilu]

Missing positionals on SAM is just an "aw man" rather than a "NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY PARSE!"

SAM isn't the kind of job where you should risk dying to hit positionals, but they're still very important if you want to be doing your best.

That's what Third Eye is for. >w>

[AziraSyuren]

Rythmn... on bosses that like to spin to their target for each attack. To you they make it more fun, to others it is just an annoyance. Also I've seen people lose dps by trying to hit positionals as they end up either out of position as the boss moves are delaying GCDs. So it really is ak hit if you can, but don't go out of your way for it, with the only exception being likely monk since he has so many positionals.

I'm well aware that having to try is an annoyance to many, many players of this game. Trust me. I seem to be talking to one of those lovely players right now.

[wereotter]

Until they stop with the beyblade bosses your entire point is moot. You will lose more dps than you gain trying to hit positionals on a boss that is constantly turning. The positionals are literally the last thing you should focus on after rotation, pots, and mechanics. If you can hit them? Good, if not, it is not a big loss. They are only important if you are going for top parsing, and those are the very small minority of people in the game. Its not a matter of encouraging them to play poorly, it is a matter of prioritizing the parts that actually make up the vast majority of your DPS. The only melee class I'd even mention positions on as a major factor in performance is monk. All the rest? if you hit them, you hit them. If not no reason to get bent out of shape and think you suck. Even on Dragoon, just fucking around you'll hit a good portion of the positionals just by sitting on eth edge of the side and rear of the mob without really trying to actually hit them.

Exaggerating much?

Yes. The bosses spin, but it's not like they're carousels that are constantly spinning in a circle. So sure, if you lose a positional because the boss decided to spit a fireball at the healer, then yeah. That's going to happen. But you also shouldn't be just ignoring them because "what if boss spins!?" you still move as though you're intending to hit it, and if the boss spins and you miss it, then so be it. You still make the effort. You don't just camp out on the boss's backside because you think they're not worth it.

We shouldn't be telling people to ignore them and encouraging them to play their job poorly. It's not just about getting top parse, it's about playing your job correctly. Hitting positionals is like the second level of bare minimum playing a melee job properly, with the first being just hitting skills at all. It's the one thing every melee job has in common, and the main mechanic of playing that role. If you want to ignore that, go play a caster, ranged physical, healer, or tank where they don't matter.

[Acece]

Sam can actually lose a lot of pot if you miss a positional you didn't think you missed. Some time's I shinten too many times and miss a positional that would've gave me enough kenki for kaiten, so I lose 400 pot. you should be using your kenki under raid buffs anyhow so it's more then 64 pot In practice.

[AziraSyuren]

Sam can actually lose a lot of pot if you miss a positional you didn't think you missed. Some time's I shinten too many times and miss a positional that would've gave me enough kenki for kaiten, so I lose 400 pot. you should be using your kenki under raid buffs anyhow so it's more then 64 pot In practice.

I remember this being a much bigger problem in Stormblood tbh