Samurai have positionals?!

[MagiusNecros]

Cooool. So low level content when I don't have access to Kenki gauge means I can be lazy. Very naisuu.

[Shironeko_Narunyan]

The problem arises when someone holds their GCDs back in order to hit a positional.
Just use the skill anyway. Delaying it costs you more DPS than missing a positional.

[Orbus]

I didn't even realize they had positionals until lv70.

Yeah I still don't care.
Still gonna get half of them just by sitting behind the enemy, damage difference in missing 5 kenki every twenty seconds is miniscule.
Actually, between normal build up and the skill that immediately grants 50 every minute, kenki builds up *so* fast that I keep forgetting to spam shinten just to dump it all. er, spam it even harder than I already do.

[Kolsykol]

I didn't even realize they had positionals until lv70.

Yeah I still don't care.
Still gonna get half of them just by sitting behind the enemy, damage difference in missing 5 kenki every twenty seconds is miniscule.
Actually, between normal build up and the skill that immediately grants 50 every minute, kenki builds up *so* fast that I keep forgetting to spam shinten just to dump it all. er, spam it even harder than I already do.

The point is that this is a you problem and you shouldn't be encouraging others to not do them.
If you're running into too much Kenki problems then it's also something you need to pay more attention to.

If you don't care then alright I guess, but it shouldn't be encouraged.
It's also not as simple really as just '' 5 extra Kenki '' as has already been explained before, there's more nuance to this and if you're not paying attention to your Kenki either then you can easily run into issues where you're missing Kaitens or don't have Kenki to charge in/ push yourself out and get extra gcd's in etc.

Edit: Really tho if you're drowning in Kenki as you're implying then yeah you really do need to be more active with Shintens, especially if you're not even doing the positionals and you're still having issues.
It sounds to me like you're ignoring the Kenki bar too and not just the positionals.

The problem arises when someone holds their GCDs back in order to hit a positional.
Just use the skill anyway. Delaying it costs you more DPS than missing a positional.

Yes but again that's not what people are actually arguing here, people are arguing in favor of deliberately not doing them altogether.
No one here is arguing that you should clip gcds to get a positional.

[MagiusNecros]

Shinten is such an ugly skill. So unsatisfying to use. I very much prefer Kaiten over it. Kyuten is so much more fun over it as well.

[Shurrikhan]

Shinten is such an ugly skill. So unsatisfying to use. I very much prefer Kaiten over it. Kyuten is so much more fun over it as well.

If Shinten stays while Kaiten goes, though, I suspect such will only be because Kaiten only has incredibly bound-up use while Shinten does not. You will only use Kaiten before Iaijutsu and you will never, short of failure, use Iaijutsu without it. One could therefore argue it's nothing but a Kenki and weave-tax, rather than an actual ability (or at least, a decision to be made).

[Kolsykol]

Shinten is such an ugly skill. So unsatisfying to use. I very much prefer Kaiten over it. Kyuten is so much more fun over it as well.

I kinda wish Shinten had a different animation, it feels a bit stiff and out of place like it breaks the flow of the rest of the animations.
It's not horrible and I mean it's a thrust it makes sense but it just doesn't feel as fluid as the rest.

I wish Seigan's animation was swapped with Shinten, Seigan's animation looks way more fluid and weaves into the rest of the animations way better imo.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I kinda wish Shinten had a different animation, it feels a bit stiff and out of place like it breaks the flow of the rest of the animations.
It's not horrible and I mean it's a thrust it makes sense but it just doesn't feel as fluid as the rest.

I wish Seigan's animation was swapped with Shinten, Seigan's animation looks way more fluid and weaves into the rest of the animations way better imo.

I actually loved the thrusting move. I think it's the one from two thrusting move that SAM has, the rest are slashes.

[Kolsykol]

I actually loved the thrusting move. I think it's the one from two thrusting move that SAM has, the rest are slashes.

I don't really mind it being a thrust, I just think that it looks too stiff tbh.
It looks more like a pose if that makes sense.
Like your character kinda strikes a pose and then holds it, it's kinda odd imo.

I am not some kind of a fencing expert and obviously FFXIV isn't a realistic game, but I don't imagine that you want to hold a pose like that you want to keep moving stab and then retreat back.
I do like having some actual thrusts in the animations too tho, Yukikaze for example looks great.

Edit: With that said I actually think that a thrust would work better for Seigan sorta like '' parry and riposte '' it'd work better thematically imo.
But I don't mind Shinten being a thrust either I just wish it was better.