Samurai have positionals?!

[Kolsykol]

Someone actually did a test, and yes in eth vast majority of content and ways of playing, they do not matter. They only matter if want to the highest parse possible. Everything, and I mean everything can be cleared easily with ample dps from the Sam without giving a lick about them.

If you ignore positionals then yes they do matter and they do make a big difference...
No one here is talking about literally getting yourself killed just to hit one positional it's really disingenuous to try and spin it that way.

No missing a positional isn't going to annihilate your dps, ignoring them will.
Count the amount of Shintens ( and possibly Kaiten depending on what you're doing ) you're missing and then add all of that potency up and you'll see that it actually is a big deal to ignore positionals...

And if you're the type of player to ignore positionals then quite frankly you're probably doing a lot of other things wrong too because you clearly don't care about making an effort at that point.
Ignoring positionals I'd say is indicative of a lot of other low effort and bad things too.

[Equitable_Remedy]

Until they stop with the beyblade bosses

Is this some new meme? This is the second or third time I've seen this 'beyblade bosses' thing.

[Kolsykol]

Is this some new meme? This is the second or third time I've seen this 'beyblade bosses' thing.

I dunno when I hear that term I think of the robot boss from Dalriada and that's about it.
It just sounds to me like people need to learn how to use True North properly.

Yes it requires some knowledge of the fight.
But so does positioning for casters............................

[Nothv13]

If you ignore positionals then yes they do matter and they do make a big difference...
No one here is talking about literally getting yourself killed just to hit one positional it's really disingenuous to try and spin it that way.

No missing a positional isn't going to annihilate your dps, ignoring them will.
Count the amount of Shintens ( and possibly Kaiten depending on what you're doing ) you're missing and then add all of that potency up and you'll see that it actually is a big deal to ignore positionals...

And if you're the type of player to ignore positionals then quite frankly you're probably doing a lot of other things wrong too because you clearly don't care about making an effort at that point.
Ignoring positionals I'd say is indicative of a lot of other low effort and bad things too.

No they really don't. People have tested this. The only class they matter for more than a percent or two is monk. That is not annihilating your dps. Why? Because even ignoring positionals you will still hit some. People struggle enough already with the much more complex rotations of the melee dps, no need to go on to pile on you must go for positionals on them. Hell even the Ultimate clears I've been watching, the the melee largely ignore positionals.

[Caitlyn]

And still, most people dont want to play a melee for some reasons.

[Kolsykol]

No they really don't. People have tested this. The only class they matter for more than a percent or two is monk. That is not annihilating your dps. Why? Because even ignoring positionals you will still hit some. People struggle enough already with the much more complex rotations of the melee dps, no need to go on to pile on you must go for positionals on them. Hell even the Ultimate clears I've been watching, the the melee largely ignore positionals.

I am sorry but I don't believe that you're being for real right now...

I know the video people keep citing about this and he even says that you shouldn't ignore them.
And the fact still remains that you're just playing it wrong and losing out on damage no matter how much you want to argue otherwise that's just an objective statement of fact you can't argue against that.
You're throwing out less Shinten and each Shinten is 320 potency ( + buffs ) that adds up very quickly you can't escape that fact no matter how much you want to.
That may as well be a lost gcd.

Yes you'll hit some, but you'll also hit some by just spamming 123.
Positionals are not even hard it's truly baffling to me that this is even an issue.

The only time you should miss a positional is if you can't hit it and you need to keep your gcd on cd, you shouldn't miss a gcd for a positional.
If this didn't matter then no one would be doing positionals, and this is also a difficult thing to measure just by dps alone because dps fluctuates a lot.
If you do a parse and do positionals on SAM and you get unlucky with crits you're probably going to end up lower than if you don't do them but get really lucky with crits.
Something that can't be disputed is the lost Shinten however and the rest of the bonus potency that is just there those are things that can be stated with a great deal of certainty and your dps would be higher in the latter scenario.

People are essentially just making up excuses to put in less effort if that's what you want to do then fine but it's getting very tiresome with all of these arguments where people are trying to make themselves feel better and more validated about it.
The fact still remains that every positional you're not landing is lost damage and it adds up to a larger total number in the end you can't escape this.

And still, most people dont want to play a melee for some reasons.

Melee are very popular, and most people I see playing are at least making an effort and seem to be playing just fine.
This is something I only hear about on the forums and on Reddit.

[Nothv13]

I am sorry but I don't believe that you're being for real right now...

I know the video people keep citing about this and he even says that you shouldn't ignore them.
And the fact still remains that you're just playing it wrong and losing out on damage no matter how much you want to argue otherwise that's just an objective statement of fact you can't argue against that.
You're throwing out less Shinten and each Shinten is 320 potency ( + buffs ) that adds up very quickly you can't escape that fact no matter how much you want to.
That may as well be a lost gcd.

Yes you'll hit some, but you'll also hit some by just spamming 123.
Positionals are not even hard it's truly baffling to me that this is even an issue.

The only time you should miss a positional is if you can't hit it and you need to keep your gcd on cd, you shouldn't miss a gcd for a positional.
If this didn't matter then no one would be doing positionals, and this is also a difficult thing to measure just by dps alone because dps fluctuates a lot.
If you do a parse and do positionals on SAM and you get unlucky with crits you're probably going to end up lower than if you don't do them but get really lucky with crits.
Something that can't be disputed is the lost Shinten however and the rest of the bonus potency that is just there those are things that can be stated with a great deal of certainty and your dps would be higher in the latter scenario.

People are essentially just making up excuses to put in less effort if that's what you want to do then fine but it's getting very tiresome with all of these arguments where people are trying to make themselves feel better and more validated about it.
The fact still remains that every positional you're not landing is lost damage and it adds up to a larger total number in the end you can't escape this.

If you are struggling with your rotation, trying for positional will just make you worse because you will miss GCDs, hit the wrong button, etc. If you are progging, going for positionals in unknown fights will get you killed. It is literally the last thing you should be worried about. Your number of crits matter more than you hitting prositionals, so therefor even optimizing your stats is more important than positionals. Quite literally the last thing you should care about when it comes to playing your class and thus reserved for those trying to get the highest parse possible those are teh only people that should be caring so much about positionals as it actually plays a huge role in cranking out that last possible percent of dps.

[Rongway]

If you are struggling with your rotation, trying for positional will just make you worse because you will miss GCDs

If you're taking more than one step to switch positions, you're doing positionals wrong. Executed properly, changing positionals will never take more than half a second. The GCD is between 4 and 5 times this, depending on your job and speed rating. Positonals are not a significant burden to warrant ignoring because "trying will just make you worse".

[Kolsykol]

If people are struggling with their rotations then they shouldn't even be talking about this to begin with, and the numerical difference will be significantly magnified.
Back to the dummy and practice it.

And no one is saying to miss gcds for positionals I said the exact opposite.
Keeping your gcd rolling is like prio number one, that doesn't mean that everything else isn't important.

And yes crits make a huge difference but those crits would still be higher with positionals not to mention that you may actually be losing out on critical Shintens and that will only be magnified even further with gear.
Again it's just a bunch of excuses and strawman arguments, no one here is saying that you should be prioritizing positionals above surviving or your gcd.
What we're talking about here is people intentionally ignoring positionals don't try and shift the conversation.

[Misutoraru]

OP, it is not surprising for player not knowing SAM have positional
Especially if you read the tooltip for skill when you unlock the job and only read new skill when unlocking. The traits description is also not very informative. Hopefully, SE will make it more clear in the future for any positional