Samurai have positionals?!

[Kolsykol]

The answer is yes some people who live in a perpetual state of denial will say that it doesn't matter and that the loss in dps is small but those people are wrong.

[Nothv13]

The answer is yes some people who live in a perpetual state of denial will say that it doesn't matter and that the loss in dps is small but those people are wrong.

Someone actually did a test, and yes in eth vast majority of content and ways of playing, they do not matter. They only matter if want to the highest parse possible. Everything, and I mean everything can be cleared easily with ample dps from the Sam without giving a lick about them.

[wereotter]

Someone actually did a test, and yes in eth vast majority of content and ways of playing, they do not matter. They only matter if want to the highest parse possible. Everything, and I mean everything can be cleared easily with ample dps from the Sam without giving a lick about them.

I'll repeat to you what I said to another poster.

Please stop encouraging people to play poorly. Doing positional attacks is such a simple thing to do, and if you're too lazy to do them, then you shouldn't play a melee job. Not moving to hit from the proper side would be like saying you just want to delete dream within a dream, elixir field, or jump from your hotbar since you can still clear content without doing one OGCD. It's free damage, you move between doing your skills, and it DOES add to your total damage. If you're a samurai, you're not doing a thing to help anyone else in the party do more damage, so you better be doing every bit of damage you personally can so you're not useless, and that includes taking a few steps to the left and right every few moves to hit the enemy from the appropriate side.

[Kolsykol]

Someone actually did a test, and yes in eth vast majority of content and ways of playing, they do not matter. They only matter if want to the highest parse possible. Everything, and I mean everything can be cleared easily with ample dps from the Sam without giving a lick about them.

If you ignore positionals then yes they do matter and they do make a big difference...
No one here is talking about literally getting yourself killed just to hit one positional it's really disingenuous to try and spin it that way.

No missing a positional isn't going to annihilate your dps, ignoring them will.
Count the amount of Shintens ( and possibly Kaiten depending on what you're doing ) you're missing and then add all of that potency up and you'll see that it actually is a big deal to ignore positionals...

And if you're the type of player to ignore positionals then quite frankly you're probably doing a lot of other things wrong too because you clearly don't care about making an effort at that point.
Ignoring positionals I'd say is indicative of a lot of other low effort and bad things too.

[Nothv13]

If you ignore positionals then yes they do matter and they do make a big difference...
No one here is talking about literally getting yourself killed just to hit one positional it's really disingenuous to try and spin it that way.

No missing a positional isn't going to annihilate your dps, ignoring them will.
Count the amount of Shintens ( and possibly Kaiten depending on what you're doing ) you're missing and then add all of that potency up and you'll see that it actually is a big deal to ignore positionals...

And if you're the type of player to ignore positionals then quite frankly you're probably doing a lot of other things wrong too because you clearly don't care about making an effort at that point.
Ignoring positionals I'd say is indicative of a lot of other low effort and bad things too.

No they really don't. People have tested this. The only class they matter for more than a percent or two is monk. That is not annihilating your dps. Why? Because even ignoring positionals you will still hit some. People struggle enough already with the much more complex rotations of the melee dps, no need to go on to pile on you must go for positionals on them. Hell even the Ultimate clears I've been watching, the the melee largely ignore positionals.

[Caitlyn]

And still, most people dont want to play a melee for some reasons.

[Kolsykol]

No they really don't. People have tested this. The only class they matter for more than a percent or two is monk. That is not annihilating your dps. Why? Because even ignoring positionals you will still hit some. People struggle enough already with the much more complex rotations of the melee dps, no need to go on to pile on you must go for positionals on them. Hell even the Ultimate clears I've been watching, the the melee largely ignore positionals.

I am sorry but I don't believe that you're being for real right now...

I know the video people keep citing about this and he even says that you shouldn't ignore them.
And the fact still remains that you're just playing it wrong and losing out on damage no matter how much you want to argue otherwise that's just an objective statement of fact you can't argue against that.
You're throwing out less Shinten and each Shinten is 320 potency ( + buffs ) that adds up very quickly you can't escape that fact no matter how much you want to.
That may as well be a lost gcd.

Yes you'll hit some, but you'll also hit some by just spamming 123.
Positionals are not even hard it's truly baffling to me that this is even an issue.

The only time you should miss a positional is if you can't hit it and you need to keep your gcd on cd, you shouldn't miss a gcd for a positional.
If this didn't matter then no one would be doing positionals, and this is also a difficult thing to measure just by dps alone because dps fluctuates a lot.
If you do a parse and do positionals on SAM and you get unlucky with crits you're probably going to end up lower than if you don't do them but get really lucky with crits.
Something that can't be disputed is the lost Shinten however and the rest of the bonus potency that is just there those are things that can be stated with a great deal of certainty and your dps would be higher in the latter scenario.

People are essentially just making up excuses to put in less effort if that's what you want to do then fine but it's getting very tiresome with all of these arguments where people are trying to make themselves feel better and more validated about it.
The fact still remains that every positional you're not landing is lost damage and it adds up to a larger total number in the end you can't escape this.

And still, most people dont want to play a melee for some reasons.

Melee are very popular, and most people I see playing are at least making an effort and seem to be playing just fine.
This is something I only hear about on the forums and on Reddit.

[TheRealQuah]

Someone actually did a test, and yes in eth vast majority of content and ways of playing, they do not matter. They only matter if want to the highest parse possible. Everything, and I mean everything can be cleared easily with ample dps from the Sam without giving a lick about them.

The vast majority of content can also be cleared by pressing 1 button the whole time. Should we encourage that too?

[AziraSyuren]

Missing positionals on SAM is just an "aw man" rather than a "NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY PARSE!"

SAM isn't the kind of job where you should risk dying to hit positionals, but they're still very important if you want to be doing your best. They also make the job more fun by giving it a nice rhythm, so why not at least try to hit them?

[Nothv13]

I'll repeat to you what I said to another poster.

Please stop encouraging people to play poorly. Doing positional attacks is such a simple thing to do, and if you're too lazy to do them, then you shouldn't play a melee job. Not moving to hit from the proper side would be like saying you just want to delete dream within a dream, elixir field, or jump from your hotbar since you can still clear content without doing one OGCD. It's free damage, you move between doing your skills, and it DOES add to your total damage. If you're a samurai, you're not doing a thing to help anyone else in the party do more damage, so you better be doing every bit of damage you personally can so you're not useless, and that includes taking a few steps to the left and right every few moves to hit the enemy from the appropriate side.

Until they stop with the beyblade bosses your entire point is moot. You will lose more dps than you gain trying to hit positionals on a boss that is constantly turning. The positionals are literally the last thing you should focus on after rotation, pots, and mechanics. If you can hit them? Good, if not, it is not a big loss. They are only important if you are going for top parsing, and those are the very small minority of people in the game. Its not a matter of encouraging them to play poorly, it is a matter of prioritizing the parts that actually make up the vast majority of your DPS. The only melee class I'd even mention positions on as a major factor in performance is monk. All the rest? if you hit them, you hit them. If not no reason to get bent out of shape and think you suck. Even on Dragoon, just fucking around you'll hit a good portion of the positionals just by sitting on eth edge of the side and rear of the mob without really trying to actually hit them.

Missing positionals on SAM is just an "aw man" rather than a "NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY PARSE!"

SAM isn't the kind of job where you should risk dying to hit positionals, but they're still very important if you want to be doing your best. They also make the job more fun by giving it a nice rhythm, so why not at least try to hit them?

Rythmn... on bosses that like to spin to their target for each attack. To you they make it more fun, to others it is just an annoyance. Also I've seen people lose dps by trying to hit positionals as they end up either out of position as the boss moves are delaying GCDs. So it really is ak hit if you can, but don't go out of your way for it, with the only exception being likely monk since he has so many positionals.