Post your Grand Company Weapons!

[Starlord]

No it doesn't. Math tells you what is correct and what is incorrect. It is correct that Ifrit's Harpoon deals more damage, period. Whether you or anyone else infers that it means it's good, bad or indifferent has nothing to do with math.

Exactly.. which is why Ifrit's Harpoon is what I said in my previous post " The Best" The Lance I got from GC is Awesome.. but its not "The Best" Everything has a scale or a Approximate Answer.. not all math problem can be solved on the dot Like some Algebra has a "No Soultion" Doesn't have a Answer.

[Frein]

No one is disputing your claim to Ifrits being superior, though thats yet to be proven as of now with the new weapons. But I digress from that point. I am disputing your narrow way of thinking that anything inferior to the best gear possible is necessarily garbage. That is such an erroneous way of thinking I'm not sure whether to call you a troll, ignorant, or just misguided. I dont think you are trying to say that, but that *is* exactly what you have been saying. If you want to refine your point, go right ahead, but the OP wont be garbage for using a weapon you deem as inferior to the absolute best. There are "good" weapons, "comparable" weapons, and "average" weapons that exist before Ifrit weapons you know. You do know that right?

You clearly missed the part where I said the GC lance has no niche because it's harder to obtain than other superior weapons (and I'm not referring to Ifrit's Harpoon here).

[Lux_Rayna]

You clearly missed the part where I said the GC lance has no niche because it's harder to obtain than other superior weapons (and I'm not referring to Ifrit's Harpoon here).

; ; "harder to obtain" is a very very very subjective point of view. All it requires is a certain amount of seals. I know quite a few seal whores in my ls, I wouldn't call it difficult. Of course its hard for someone like me who hates farming totorak for seals, and is too lazy to stockpile items for provision missions. But to each his own.

Also I do not understand what you mean by "niche". A weapon has a niche if someone is willing to use it, and if it is a viable weapon for current content. As this weapon was released in conjunction with current content, is a high level weapon, and has a great raw dps output, we can reasonably conclude that it is a "viable" weapon for current content. As such, it has this mysterious "niche" you're referring to, which means you have no basis for calling it trash. And quite frankly, you're reasoning is a bit silly since "difficulty" has nothing at all to do with a weapon's viability. If I want to use a weapon thats harder to obtain than a superior weapon, so be it. Does it matter? No. The weapon has a niche because I like it and I want to use it, and it is comparable to other higher class weapons. That being the case, your justification for trashing it is still erroneous. Just say you dont like the weapon because it doesn't suit the level of play you'd like to play at.

Calling it trash, or useless, or without a niche, is just brainless. You are quite a lot smarter than that I imagine, so I don't see the need for you to lower your intellectual output in a pointless attack of a weapon choice made by an individual you won't even be playing with. Even if you had to play with him, I'm sure you would find it is good enough to do whatever needs be done in current content even if it is not the best. Long story short, there's no viable reason for this madness, so I encourage you to just let it be. Quite frankly, excellent skill rotation trumps any difference in gear choice at the end of the day. I"d bet an arm and a leg that a great player with a GC lance can easily outparse an avg player with an Ifrits Harpoon, just because his skill rotation would be that much better, thus that much more effective, thus that much more damage regardless of the statistical difference in weaponry. Would he be *that* much more awesome if he chose an Ifrits harpoon. Sure. But we aren't talking about min/maxing here, we are talking about viability.

[Frein]

; ; "harder to obtain" is a very very very subjective point of view. All it requires is a certain amount of seals. I know quite a few seal whores in my ls, I wouldn't call it difficult. Of course its hard for someone like me who hates farming totorak for seals, and is too lazy to stockpile items for provision missions. But to each his own.

Correct, which is why I actually said "could be considered easier to obtain". Even with DRG needing a lot of ACC because of the lolmiss nature of Impulse Drive, I'd probably pick Gerbald's Redspike over this one, and it's quite cheap. I'm going to assume that most people will find coming up with gil for that one much easier than farming 10k seals for the last GC rank and the weapon.

Also I do not understand what you mean by "niche". A weapon has a niche if someone is willing to use it, and if it is a viable weapon for current content.

This really shouldn't be so confusing. A weapon has a niche if it is the best in a relevant category, such as the best weapon that is easy to obtain, the best weapon against high evasion enemies or the best weapon in the game. There does not appear to be any reason to why anyone would get the GC lance other than looks or ignorance, because by the time it becomes available to most people, you should have been able to get something better. You could argue that its niche is to look nice for those who like the way it looks, but that is irrelevant to game mechanics.

[Starlord]

Correct, which is why I actually said "could be considered easier to obtain". Even with DRG needing a lot of ACC because of the lolmiss nature of Impulse Drive, I'd probably pick Gerbald's Redspike over this one, and it's quite cheap. I'm going to assume that most people will find coming up with gil for that one much easier than farming 10k seals for the last GC rank and the weapon.


This really shouldn't be so confusing. A weapon has a niche if it is the best in a relevant category, such as the best weapon that is easy to obtain, the best weapon against high evasion enemies or the best weapon in the game. There does not appear to be any reason to why anyone would get the GC lance other than looks or ignorance, because by the time it becomes available to most people, you should have been able to get something better. You could argue that its niche is to look nice for those who like the way it looks, but that is irrelevant to game mechanics.

Like I said for the longest time.. " Different strokes for different folks"

[Lux_Rayna]

This really shouldn't be so confusing. A weapon has a niche if it is the best in a relevant category, such as the best weapon that is easy to obtain, the best weapon against high evasion enemies or the best weapon in the game. There does not appear to be any reason to why anyone would get the GC lance other than looks or ignorance, because by the time it becomes available to most people, you should have been able to get something better. You could argue that its niche is to look nice for those who like the way it looks, but that is irrelevant to game mechanics.

Your brain is being severely limited by your intense belief in min/maxing. You have to understand that min/max isn't law, and min/max doesn't define games. In fact, games aren't even designed nor balanced around min/maxing, which is precisely why your niche argument falls to pieces. In the world of min/maxers, yes, everything has a niche..and anything else is trash and useless. But as a game is not defined nor balanced around min/max values, that niche does not actually exist as far as content design is concerned. More or less you are creating niches, which you are perfectly allowed to do; you just need to remember that the niches you are creating only exist for yourself, and whosoever happens to agree with your perception. What you are talking about isn't law but opinion based on your personal min/max belief system. Feel free to carry it with you, but recognize it as it is...a belief and an opinion. It takes a lot of work to give validity to beliefs outside of your belief system, but I know you are capable. The fact of the matter is, these niches you speak of do not actually exist in game, only in your head. A community that shares your view may *manifest* these niches, and in some cases make them social norm, but they are in no way game law. I think you can understand this well enough.

EDIT: By severely limited I mean making you close-minded. It was not meant to be an insult towards your intelligence. Thought it'd clarify my poor wording there.

Since niches are, in fact, completely made up outside of the level of content they were designed for...anyone can use any weapon they choose so long as it is designed for the content which they will be facing. It is safe to say that due to the weapon's level, and raw stats, it was designed for current content. Thats about as far as this "niche" thing goes in FFXIV. SE gives you a bunch of weapons released with content, you choose which to use for what. He chooses to use his GC lance, and he is making a good choice because that lance was designed for current content. Again, it doesnt need to be the best in any one category to be relevant or useful. The point is that it is viable, and it definitely is. No party will fail current content because they were using all GC weapons...with the exception of maybe Garuda. And that is an honest maybe, since Garuda is actually a gear check in a lot of ways, and requires not just viable gear, but superior gear. Still, I could very well be possible to succeed even with all GC weapons. Other than that one possible exception, I fail to see the problem with his gear choice...other than the fact that it doesn't fit into your min/max belief system. Different strokes for different folks, let him be.

[Payadopa]

Meh. And I came here to see screenshots. Silly me.

[Starlord]

Meh. And I came here to see screenshots. Silly me.

Yeah I know.. people Derailed my thread QQ!

[Deltara]

It looks like a wizard's staff or something. lol

I want to see the claws.

A niche don't mean the best in a category... a niche means that you target your product to a specific select group of the population.

So, a niche could be someone who wants to deal decent damage with hand-to-hand weapons and not look "like a full-scale jackass". (moogle, ifrit, blocky-block hands, garuda, etc) I'm quoting someone from a different post, sorry to whoever I stole the jackass thing from.

[Meleena]

People that don't play FFXIV see me using my Ifrit's Harpoon and they think thats a staff...
With this new GC weapon even I think that Dragoon looks like a mage, wth is cool with that weapon?