isnt it time to unify classes/jobs? whats the point of having both of them..

[Rongway]

If I had to hazard a guess, I would say it's kept not just because of the huge amount of tinkering needed under the hood to do so while still keeping the system workable, it is probably also required for the benefit of 1.0 players who have yet to rejoin the game, and could use their old 1.0 character data, which would still retain the 'class upgrades to a Job', and furthermore, retain all their previously attained EXP from 1.0 - so changing classes into full Jobs from level 1 would potentially cause errors in the data that SE probably want to avoid having to fix, and prevention is better than cure after all.

Jobs that are upgrades of classes don't have experience, and this sounds like a non-issue in my professional opinion.

SE would have to scrap all the class quests, and have to make new 'from level 1' Job quests for the starting classes which just violates the lore in so many ways. It would just be too much of a can of worms for SE to bother with, with little overall benefit.

Removing combat classes from the system does not necessitate removal of combat class quests from the system. Just change the quest icons for the 1-30 quests to the job quest icons, have NPCs refer to you as the class until you reach the job quests proper, and give everyone a quick bit of dialog at Lv1 that says something like,

"Before the people of Eorzea can recognize you as a full-fledged [JOB], you must prove yourself a capable [CLASS]. The [JOB] job quests will become available once you have reached level 30 and completed the [CLASS] story line."

[BlitzAceRush]

Jobs that are upgrades of classes don't have experience, and this sounds like a non-issue in my professional opinion.


Removing combat classes from the system does not necessitate removal of combat class quests from the system. Just change the quest icons for the 1-30 quests to the job quest icons, have NPCs refer to you as the class until you reach the job quests proper, and give everyone a quick bit of dialog at Lv1 that says something like,

"Before the people of Eorzea can recognize you as a full-fledged [JOB], you must prove yourself a capable [CLASS]. The [JOB] job quests will become available once you have reached level 30 and completed the [CLASS] story line."

It would take far more work than a one liner to make any sense for most of the class quests to refer to you as your job from the onset, as in most cases you're either special, a one of a kind, or in MNK's case, literally pioneering the art.
"Ah yes, before we'll recognise you as a heretical Black Mage which so much as even admitting you'd be interested in trying to learn the art, if you even could find the locked away tomes or someone who could read them would land you in a gaol, please study thaumaturgy for a little bit, we'll ready your black robes, pointed hat and eyepatch for your graduation."

Few jobs would work without a radical shift as most like the MSQ build you up to be something when it comes to the job, like ARR takes your from adventurer to Warrior of Light, the classes take you from one of many to one of few or "the one" in some cases, most would have to be totally rewritten, it's a lot of work for something they've mostly made a non issue by simply never using the system anymore. Like others have pointed out, the only thing that really needs to be done is stopping people from entering the duty finder without their job stones, unless it's a premade. Otherwise they just stand as a lot of lore from the past and a glimpse into an older part of the game, but they do little else and don't really get in the way, so why wast the limited dev time on a non-issue?

[Rongway]

It would take far more work than a one liner to make any sense for most of the class quests to refer to you as your job from the onset, as in most cases you're either special, a one of a kind, or in MNK's case, literally pioneering the art.
"Ah yes, before we'll recognise you as a heretical Black Mage which so much as even admitting you'd be interested in trying to learn the art, if you even could find the locked away tomes or someone who could read them would land you in a gaol, please study thaumaturgy for a little bit, we'll ready your black robes, pointed hat and eyepatch for your graduation."

No. I'm not talking about NPCs. I'm talking about the game telling you you have to do things. Like it does in plenty of other cases. "The next [JOB] quest will be available upon reaching level 52." NPCs are irrelevant. You don't have to change anything they already say now if you just include what I said as a system message.

[BlitzAceRush]

No. I'm not talking about NPCs. I'm talking about the game telling you you have to do things. Like it does in plenty of other cases. "The next [JOB] quest will be available upon reaching level 52." NPCs are irrelevant. You don't have to change anything they already say now if you just include what I said as a system message.

Except most new players would then wonder why everyone is calling them a Thaumaturge when they clearly chose Black Mage at creation, without changing the class quests but just changing the classes into their Jobs you just create confusion for no reason. Un;ess you plan to have another system message explaining why for the first 30 levels you'll be incorrectly referred to, another problem created to try and fix a mostly non-issue.

[Rongway]

Except most new players would then wonder why everyone is calling them a Thaumaturge when they clearly chose Black Mage at creation, without changing the class quests but just changing the classes into their Jobs you just create confusion for no reason. Un;ess you plan to have another system message explaining why for the first 30 levels you'll be incorrectly referred to, another problem created to try and fix a mostly non-issue.

???

What part of

"Before the people of Eorzea can recognize you as a full-fledged [JOB], you must prove yourself a capable [CLASS]. The [JOB] job quests will become available once you have reached level 30 and completed the [CLASS] story line."

doesn't address exactly what you just said?