FIX GARUDA!!!

[Lux_Rayna]

As vague as their terms and conditions are, you're right
Honestly, if he wanted to, Yoshi could probably ban pretty much any one of us for pretty much anything and be legally justified in doing so.

I just say people who do the so called "exploit" don't have as much fun on the fight as people who don't... and thats enough for me

I could care less as long as ppl own up and admit they are doing what they are doing. And they don't need devil's advocates because they have plenty of denial already. I figure if someone is going to exploit the game to get easy loot, they might as well just admit that 's what they are doing. It doesn't affect me so I dont care. Listening to their stupid justifications does affect me (pet peeve 101) so I'll go on all day. I just can't wait to laugh at that one blm burn party that didnt get the memo when its hotfixed.

[Rydin]

I could care less as long as ppl own up and admit they are doing what they are doing. And they don't need devil's advocates because they have plenty of denial already. I figure if someone is going to exploit the game to get easy loot, they might as well just admit that 's what they are doing. It doesn't affect me so I dont care. Listening to their stupid justifications does affect me (pet peeve 101) so I'll go on all day. I just can't wait to laugh at that one blm burn party that didnt get the memo when its hotfixed.

Quiet as it's kept.... I feel like I DD on WAR as fast as any of the BLMs in the "Burn" anyway....
And since that is AOE that also damages the plumes... I feel like the BLM burn can't be that much easier than the real way to do it

[Lux_Rayna]

Quiet as it's kept.... I feel like I DD on WAR as fast as any of the BLMs in the "Burn" anyway....
And since that is AOE that also damages the plumes... I feel like the BLM burn can't be that much easier than the real way to do it

Lol BLM burn skips aerial blast. Thats like skipping hellfire on ifrit. Once its fixed there will be *no* way to skip it so yes, it will be quite a lot harder. Do you know how many parties I saw come out dead? Most of them.

[Penguin]

Quiet as it's kept.... I feel like I DD on WAR as fast as any of the BLMs in the "Burn" anyway....
And since that is AOE that also damages the plumes... I feel like the BLM burn can't be that much easier than the real way to do it

I am not sure if you are joking about that or if you are serious and your blm's are just terrible.

Unless the fight lasts over like 8 minutes there should be no way for a warrior to come close to a blm's single target damage output, no matter how amazing you think you are.

[Firon]

right. and only having the tank + 1 bard on her generally won't get her down fast enough, since the tank can't use anything but frontal combo or risk turning her and stunning/knocking back/interrupting casters, and the bard can't really use their distance combos if she summons east winds.

Thought so. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Rydin]

I am not sure if you are joking about that or if you are serious and your blm's are just terrible.

Unless the fight lasts over like 8 minutes there should be no way for a warrior to come close to a blm's single target damage output, no matter how amazing you think you are.

we tried the BLM burn to see what all the fuss was about... and I did like 12k (While tanking), and we killed it and the fight lasted 4 minutes... I'm not sure what you mean? but had I not been doing any voke/flash/damage mitigation type stuff then my damage would go up quite a bit....

Lol BLM burn skips aerial blast. Thats like skipping hellfire on ifrit. Once its fixed there will be *no* way to skip it so yes, it will be quite a lot harder. Do you know how many parties I saw come out dead? Most of them.

I know... Its just a lot of people are spending so much time trying to perfect the BLM burn way, if they spent that much time working on the regular strat, I think they'd get it down eventually

[Velhart]

You can exploit in any MMO, no matter if you have 820 Einsteins on your development or 20 monkies, players can and will find ways to exploit something, stop thinking they don't pay attention because if you've played any other MMO, especially of Korean and Chinese origin you'd realize very quickly no matter what is done people will get around anything.

Maybe, but FFXI and FFXIV have been the only MMO's I have played (played a lot of them) where exploitation is taken advantage of at a severe rate. Things I see are something that could of been easily spotted by a tester, but didn't happen. Sure a bug or two gets by everything, there is no way to make things 100% perfect.

What I am saying is that something that is obvious as this should have been spotted. They should of known this could of been taken advantage of if people can get hit below 50% before phase 2.

All people really do is use exploits in this game, rather small or big. Rather it just run through DH without killing mobs, certain spots in Ifrit guarantee not being hit, midway death/revive in Moogle, or BLM sweet spot on Chimera.

So unless SE has some new structure for fights in 2.0, all I will see people do is find exploits to make it easier. In all fairness however, when you do grind a boss all day, you do just want to make it quick. Hopefully there will be enough content to distribute that we don't get that grinding feeling. When people get bored and just want their item at that point, finding exploits are inevitable.

So I do agree with you, but exploitation is the worse I have seen in this game, and there are just obvious things here that I find hard to believe that testers could not find this.

[Matsume]

Hey SE! Why u no ban dis thread?

[Lux_Rayna]

Maybe, but FFXI and FFXIV have been the only MMO's I have played (played a lot of them) where exploitation is taken advantage of at a severe rate. Things I see are something that could of been easily spotted by a tester, but didn't happen. Sure a bug or two gets by everything, there is no way to make things 100% perfect.

What I am saying is that something that is obvious as this should have been spotted. They should of known this could of been taken advantage of if people can get hit below 50% before phase 2.

All people really do is use exploits in this game, rather small or big. Rather it just run through DH without killing mobs, certain spots in Ifrit guarantee not being hit, midway death/revive in Moogle, or BLM sweet spot on Chimera.

So unless SE has some new structure for fights in 2.0, all I will see people do is find exploits to make it easier. In all fairness however, when you do grind a boss all day, you do just want to make it quick. Hopefully there will be enough content to distribute that we don't get that grinding feeling. When people get bored and just want their item at that point, finding exploits are inevitable.

So I do agree with you, but exploitation is the worse I have seen in this game, and there are just obvious things here that I find hard to believe that testers could not find this.

In all fairness to the XIV team they have most of their resources working on 2.0. The QA probably isn't nearly as thorough because its temporary content. I dont even think these primal battles will make it into 2.0 at all, at least not in their current form. Its also why server instability has been so difficult to fix over this last patch, they are working with split resources, and obviously XIV is going to draw the short stick. When you have deadlines to meet on *both* ends of the floor, it can be really hard to push out non-buggy content. Ppl want 2.0 on time, that means XIV has to proceed more or less on time. Its a nightmare of a situation SE put themselves in, all for delivering players an MMO that meets expectations.

As far as XI goes, I have no idea why that was so bad. Then again, you had an MMORPG noob designing it. That might have been the problem.

[Velhart]

In all fairness to the XIV team they have most of their resources working on 2.0. The QA probably isn't nearly as thorough because its temporary content. I dont even think these primal battles will make it into 2.0 at all, at least not in their current form. Its also why server instability has been so difficult to fix over this last patch, they are working with split resources, and obviously XIV is going to draw the short stick. When you have deadlines to meet on *both* ends of the floor, it can be really hard to push out non-buggy content. Ppl want 2.0 on time, that means XIV has to proceed more or less on time. Its a nightmare of a situation SE put themselves in, all for delivering players an MMO that meets expectations.

As far as XI goes, I have no idea why that was so bad. Then again, you had an MMORPG noob designing it. That might have been the problem.

FFXI was my first true MMO back in 2003, so anything I would consider funny today did not go through my mind back then, that is just how I thought it worked, and during that time, that how MMO's worked in general since they were still in their uprising phase.

I do agree with you however, they are very limited on what they can do to 1.0 due to the budget heavily catering to 2.0. My only complaint is not being able to spot out "obvious" flaws in battles. I am not a developer however, so I won't pretend to know how things work there. I will just do the "Deal with whatever I have to right now", and know 2.0 will most likely be much, "much" better than what we have right now.