FIX GARUDA!!!

[Noir]

Hmm, I was thinking that this thread would be about the fact that Garuda can be easily defeated by stacking 5 BLMs and zerging her to death, which is a legitimate problem. I was sadly disappointed

Really? I have a better idea. Put 8 blm and Zerg her to death. Then, alarm rang and you woke up.

[fusional]

my point was merely to present an alternative to BLM in killing Chirada, when it was implied that there was none.

[Soukyuu]

my point was merely to present an alternative to BLM in killing Chirada, when it was implied that there was none.

If MNK is an alternative, why is no one taking them to Garuda? MNK might be an alternative, but not a viable one, because of their range yet again.

[fusional]

If MNK is an alternative, why is no one taking them to Garuda? MNK might be an alternative, but not a viable one, because of their range yet again.

his implication was that there's no other way to kill chirada without blackmages. i corrected that. monk range has absolutely nothing to do with chirada. so.

[Soukyuu]

his implication was that there's no other way to kill chirada without blackmages. i corrected that. monk range has absolutely nothing to do with chirada. so.

Mobs moving around too much makes it a problem though.

Of course you can kill anything without BLMs, BLMs are just the easier way so people default to this strategy. Why risk figuring out a new strategy if there is a confirmed working strategy? I guess I'm more ranting about people defaulting to a strategy than about MNK being useless per se, hah.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

Mobs moving around too much makes it a problem though.

Of course you can kill anything without BLMs, BLMs are just the easier way so people default to this strategy. Why risk figuring out a new strategy if there is a confirmed working strategy? I guess I'm more ranting about people defaulting to a strategy than about MNK being useless per se, hah.

Right. Why zerg kirin when there's the kite working strategy ?

[Velhart]

Mobs moving around too much makes it a problem though.

Of course you can kill anything without BLMs, BLMs are just the easier way so people default to this strategy. Why risk figuring out a new strategy if there is a confirmed working strategy? I guess I'm more ranting about people defaulting to a strategy than about MNK being useless per se, hah.

On a general scale people look highly to BLM and ARC/BRD every patch because.

- Convenient since almost every boss released in this game has nasty AoE that isn't worth dealing with.

- More lenient on the combo system. BLM simply have to cast the spell, and assuming it is accurate, goes to the next one. Melees not only have to endure close range conditions, but suffer from DPS since the mob constantly needs to move itself, despite how much hate the tank has.

- Just simply more powerful. BLM will always outshine melee on that perspective, which is fine, you have to manage hate and MP to be efficient. However, to the extent that they completely outshine melee in the damage perspective is unsettling. Like someone said, you can't just gimp BLM, because it would be ToAU all over again. What you need to do is make melee better, simply put. Maybe not be so position heavy in melee combos, but rather do "More damage if attacked from the side.", this would keep the positioning system and make combos not such a hassle for melee.

To put it simply, SE cannot find balance because of inconvenient conditions for some classes to be efficient, and those inconvenient conditions make melee sit on the backside while the BLM's do all the work.

[Velhart]

SE keeps kicking themselves in the ass every time they put in these ridiculous conditions on beating bosses. First phase, not so bad, you keep the plumes off the pillars before she Astral Flows.

Second phase however is so ridiculous that all people think about are stacking BLM's so they don't even have to deal with it. SE, when your players are trying to find their way out of a phase instead of taking the challenge, you have done something wrong here. Her attacks are quick and the server load times screw things up also. You need to make a fight where it caters to your current servers, once again, your new fight does not.

I understand phase 2 should be hectic, but an instant move if I am happened to not be behind her knocks me back for enough damage to kill me. I call this unfair simply. You can say I am whining about this, but this just plain sucks. If anything, all that ability should do is decrease the damage on it dramatically and have it knock people who does not have highest hate back. This would make it so the tank is on his own for a small while and give Garuda a single target damage increase. Not only would this be fair in my opinion, but also an incentive to bring PLD in so he can heal himself.

The clones, this is another ridiculous one. Why do we only have one minute to kill both of them? Isn't it bad enough we have to deal with them to begin with? Along with the wind portals you place on the floor? Not only that, why can't mages damage the plumes? Why don't you have it where they are resistant to fire, but not thunder. I mean they are wind elementals, it would be understandable if they were resistant to fire. It would make BLM's a part of the group taking down plumes.

So SE, when people have to deal with ridiculous conditions you give them in a fight, what makes you think that people will not stack in this fight? You have made conditions so severe that people rather take it down as soon as possible instead of being efficient and safely/slowly killing her. It should be harder to do a speed run than a safe/slow run.

I'm sorry SE, but this third primal shows you cannot create proper balance, and all you do is worry me on how content will come in 2.0. Instead of making ridiculous conditions on beating them, why don't you make a strategy that is fair and difficult at the same time. If you can mix those together, people would find less incentive to stack themselves and not follow what other people are doing. You can reply back and say "The fight can be done with a balanced setup!", yes true, but why deal with the crap when you have geared BLM's that can take it down in around 3 minutes. People would not stack like this in the first place if you actually made the conditions of the fight not so frustrating.

I don't believe you will ever find balance with your methods. All you do to balance is gimp one job to the point no one wants them. You need to go back to the drawing board and take lessons from other MMO's on how to make a boss fight, because while the environment and music is great on Garuda, that is about as far as I can say about it.

Poor job on this one SE, I was expecting better, but shame on me apparently. Some may disagree with what I said above, but that is simply how I feel about it.

[Req]

SE keeps kicking themselves in the ass every time they put in these ridiculous conditions on beating bosses. First phase, not so bad, you keep the plumes off the pillars before she Astral Flows.

Second phase however is so ridiculous that all people think about are stacking BLM's so they don't even have to deal with it. SE, when your players are trying to find their way out of a phase instead of taking the challenge, you have done something wrong here. Her attacks are quick and the server load times screw things up also. You need to make a fight where it caters to your current servers, once again, your new fight does not.

I understand phase 2 should be hectic, but an instant move if I am happened to not be behind her knocks me back for enough damage to kill me. I call this unfair simply. You can say I am whining about this, but this just plain sucks. If anything, all that ability should do is decrease the damage on it dramatically and have it knock people who does not have highest hate back. This would make it so the tank is on his own for a small while and give Garuda a single target damage increase. Not only would this be fair in my opinion, but also an incentive to bring PLD in so he can heal himself.

The clones, this is another ridiculous one. Why do we only have one minute to kill both of them? Isn't it bad enough we have to deal with them to begin with? Along with the wind portals you place on the floor? Not only that, why can't mages damage the plumes? Why don't you have it where they are resistant to fire, but not thunder. I mean they are wind elementals, it would be understandable if they were resistant to fire. It would make BLM's a part of the group taking down plumes.

So SE, when people have to deal with ridiculous conditions you give them in a fight, what makes you think that people will not stack in this fight? You have made conditions so severe that people rather take it down as soon as possible instead of being efficient and safely/slowly killing her. It should be harder to do a speed run than a safe/slow run.

I'm sorry SE, but this third primal shows you cannot create proper balance, and all you do is worry me on how content will come in 2.0. Instead of making ridiculous conditions on beating them, why don't you make a strategy that is fair and difficult at the same time. If you can mix those together, people would find less incentive to stack themselves and not follow what other people are doing. You can reply back and say "The fight can be done with a balanced setup!", yes true, but why deal with the crap when you have geared BLM's that can take it down in around 3 minutes. People would not stack like this in the first place if you actually made the conditions of the fight not so frustrating.

I don't believe you will ever find balance with your methods. All you do to balance is gimp one job to the point no one wants them. You need to go back to the drawing board and take lessons from other MMO's on how to make a boss fight, because while the environment and music is great on Garuda, that is about as far as I can say about it.

Poor job on this one SE, I was expecting better, but shame on me apparently. Some may disagree with what I said above, but that is simply how I feel about it.

Biggest issue is they basically made a fight where you have to either win below the speed run time or its game over, there really is no in between. The only phase where you can turtle mode it is phase 2, and thats still a toss up because the longer you are fighting her in this phase the more likely she is going to decide she wants to screw with you and respawn facing your entire party and then blasting everyone with an instant cast AoE that kills half your party before anyone even has the time to react. If someone figures out some sort of positioning for this crap please tell me because no matter what I have thought of, garuda decides that she doesn't want to comply to her own rules and will spawn facing the party around a third of the time.

As for phase 1, if she warps more than 3 times shes going to do so much damage to the rocks you will be eating 3500 damage without stoneskin or sentinal.

Phase 3, if you don't get those adds in position, which is a pain in itself, especially if you are transitioning from another phase, and then kill them within the time limit it is game over.

This craps all doable but it is kind of sad they have to basically add instant one hit KO cheap shots to their fights to make them difficult and its just going to get worse from here on out. Ifrit had his 2 hour. moogle had the 2 hour + pom flare. Garuda has the 2 hour, plus mistral song + the attack if you don't get the clones down. I wouldn't be surprised if the garlean fight has him spamming his giant laser blast every 2 seconds without any warning and it one hit kills your entire party while hate resetting and putting stun, silence and amnesia on everyone.

[Chardrizard]

They are fixing it, Yoshi posted at JP forum.