Blacklist Feature Request

[Kranel_San]

So they'll never show up on your team. It shouldn't prevent them from being matched into the opposing team.

In which it would also be used to blacklist all the players who're starting doing PvP because they're not skilled enough. Which is something that is currently happening in some PF groups in which some players get blacklisted even without a warning or something because they're not good enough. Someone even went too far to the point they shouted in the chat: "Blacklist X player!!!" without specifying why and I have seen this more than once.
If Blacklisting players would stop them from being matched with you in DF then this may results in a longer queue time from either your end or theirs, which can be avoided by just ignoring them and not replying to any of their messages. The game shouldn't punish others and stop matching them with you because you just disagreed with them. In fact, it's ultra-rare for you to be matched with someone on your blacklist in any duty roulette unless one of you is spamming a duty roulette and the other queued for it then here there is a higher chance of getting matched up but otherwise its ultra-rare. As for PvP, if I'm not mistaken you can't chat with others. So in the end there is no reason to stop someone from being matched with you in DF. It can only cause harassment ( Mass/Encouraged Blacklisting on a player )
As I have said earlier, unless a player is a snowflake who literally blacklist anyone they disagreed with, I don't see how a player can have more than 50 other players in their blacklist without counting the bots.

[GeminiReed]

In which it would also be used to blacklist all the players who're starting doing PvP because they're not skilled enough. ...

If Blacklisting players would stop them from being matched with you in DF then this may results in a longer queue time from either your end or theirs, ...

... So in the end there is no reason to stop someone from being matched with you in DF. It can only cause harassment ( Mass/Encouraged Blacklisting on a player )

Mass blacklisting seems to be mostly a JP problem. Anybody who tries it in NA tends to find out they're the ones that can't get a queue pop.

There are far more serious concerns (stalking) than avoiding bruising somebody's fragile ego. Gods forbid anything tragic happens but the way Square has implemented their system is not going to impress many judges.

[EmpyreanHelios]

If I'm not wrong, blacklisted players can't join your PF tho.

I think this is still true. The only saving grace of the current blacklist system.

As I have said earlier, unless a player is a snowflake who literally blacklist anyone they disagreed with, I don't see how a player can have more than 50 other players in their blacklist without counting the bots.

I feel like you haven't been playing this game for very long, or that you're lucky for not running into the types of people that we blacklist. You know, the ones who yell at new people for getting hit by AOEs and kick up a fuss about wipes on old content. Heck, I had a tank refuse to pull in one of the new raids because we wiped a few times on the release day and then we had to kick him.

And then to get the same people when we queue up for something else makes us feel like the blacklist is useless.

[Breakbeat]

Life works like this. There's good, and then there's bad. Together, they equal what we call "life experience". Yes, I am paraphrasing a cheezy '80s sitcom theme; bonus points if you know which.

We become well-balanced humans by dealing with the good and the bad. The bad teaches us how to handle difficulties in life. The bad is actually an important part of maturing, learning, growing and being human.

What isn't all that good is to 'filter out' anything you don't agree with, anyone who doesn't see 100% eye-to-eye with you, anyone who might express a bit of frustration or anger or other normal human emotions. This is called putting yourself in an 'echo chamber' and results in people having a skewed and distorted view of how things should be.

Living in an echo-chamber, where only your pre-determined values and behaviors are reflected back to you, actually reduces your capacity to deal with humankind at large. It's not healthy, especially not for developing humans. For older folk, it might be too late, but for a twenty-year-old, it can be hugely detrimental.

People that have one or two folks on an ignore list have come into contact with the occasional off-the-charts reprehensible behavior. That is understandable. If someone on the street attacks you, you'd not want to deal with that person again.

People that have a hundred, two hundred or four hundred (or more) people on a blacklist are filtering out benign behaviors, like a simple complaint, or an attitude they don't like, or (to be honest) negative behaviors that come as a result of their own, personal behaviors. This isn't healthy at all. It snowballs, as you now start to believe that you don't have to even try to understand someone looking at you sideways. Block and move on.

It's not normal, proper or healthy to live like that, nor is it needed at all. I've done ten thousand hours in older MMOs (EQ, Asheron's Call), twenty-five thousand hours in WoW, and three-hundred hours in FFXIV, and have never felt the need to put someone on a block list. Have I had arguments with folks? Yeah, though you could count them on your fingers without going to your toes. I dealt with these arguments, won some, lost some, and moved on.

[Breakbeat]

I feel like you haven't been playing this game for very long, or that you're lucky for not running into the types of people that we blacklist. You know, the ones who yell at new people for getting hit by AOEs and kick up a fuss about wipes on old content.

A) Not possible, given the amount of time I've spent playing MMOs with zero folks ever on an ignore list (see post above for lowkey brag, not gonna repeat it again =P)

B) Yelling at someone for being hit by an AoE doesn't warrant a block, it warrants a polite request to not yell. Ditto 'kicking up a fuss about wipes in old content.'

My behavior doesn't perpetuate negativity, therefore negativity doesn't follow me around and happen everywhere. I also realize that humans aren't restricted to the care-bear happy-go-lucky type of behavior. When another human simply needs to vent for a minute, I won't put them on a block list for that reason. Someone would have to absolutely melt down with racial assaults, bigotry, unwarranted sexual talk, talk of illegal activities, etc., in order for me to block them.

Though I have seen that kind of talk, if it's not directed at me, then it warrants a report, not a block. What I consider 'reportable behavior' has never been directed at me, not in hundreds of thousands of interactions with other MMO players. Never, not once, since 1999. I ain't a magician or anything, so how have I avoided it? I dunno, you tell me.

We should all deal with these things (complaining about AoE damage or mechanics failures), try to put a positive angle on the interactions, and if that fails, move on. Humans will be humans and will use language humans do. I cannot and will not manipulate the environment so I can trick myself into thinking these things don't exist.

[Kranel_San]

I feel like you haven't been playing this game for very long, or that you're lucky for not running into the types of people that we blacklist. You know, the ones who yell at new people for getting hit by AOEs and kick up a fuss about wipes on old content. Heck, I had a tank refuse to pull in one of the new raids because we wiped a few times on the release day and then we had to kick him.

And then to get the same people when we queue up for something else makes us feel like the blacklist is useless.

By now, I have been playing for two years. In very rare cases have I met any kind of player unwilling to cooperate with the party. In these cases, in addition to kicking, sometimes we also report.
Blacklisting toxic or players with very bad behaviors is not a solution. Reporting is.
If blacklisting stopped players from getting matched with others who blacklisted them then this can easily be misused by many.
Sure you don't do it? Others will. If a feature can not be misused or affecting others negatively them I'm all with it, but as I have said this can easily be misused. In fact, in my EU DC ( Yes EU, not JP ) I have been in parties from the party finder where I have seen players blacklisting any who makes a single mistake. Even sometimes shouting their names or insulting them. Do you think this kind of players won't be encouraged with blacklisting allowing players not to get matched with blacklisted players?

[DPZ2]

Wow. 200 players to blacklist is too small? I've gotta wonder what I've been doing wrong these past 7 years, since my blacklist currently has <check> um, nobody.

[Imora]

Yeah these won't be more than 50 tbh
Bots are quick to get banned so no point in blacklisting them because by tomorrow the bot who will spam in the chat is going to be another one.
People, who spam things like what? Most are by incidents from what I see.
FCs recruiters aren't that many. Their messages are but just blacklist a couple of them and it will all become quiet.
People who harass you should be reported as well as blacklisting but as FCs recruiters they shouldn't be many.
Which in the end doesn't exceeds 50 players unless something is wrong indeed and that's probably from the player's side, not theirs.



It's not useless. Imagine blacklisting all the good players at PvP from the opposite factions so you don't get matched with them?

That's how ignore list works in wow. They can't see your premade group listing and you won't get partied with them in dungeon finder.

Not sure how it works with pvp because well, pvp sucks. There's also tens of thousands of people who pvp, you can't ignore them all

[LianaThorne]

By now, I have been playing for two years. In very rare cases have I met any kind of player unwilling to cooperate with the party. In these cases, in addition to kicking, sometimes we also report.
Blacklisting toxic or players with very bad behaviors is not a solution. Reporting is.
If blacklisting stopped players from getting matched with others who blacklisted them then this can easily be misused by many.
Sure you don't do it? Others will. If a feature can not be misused or affecting others negatively them I'm all with it, but as I have said this can easily be misused. In fact, in my EU DC ( Yes EU, not JP ) I have been in parties from the party finder where I have seen players blacklisting any who makes a single mistake. Even sometimes shouting their names or insulting them. Do you think this kind of players won't be encouraged with blacklisting allowing players not to get matched with blacklisted players?

I would rather have some sort of solution so that people can actually avoid those who harass them or try to stalk them in real life. Square literally does nothing in these situations because they expect the victim and the abuser to come to some sort of civility. That's literally why we can't unfriend someone and be unfriended on their end. Like, just that on its own would solve a lot of problems.

I think some are forgetting that soon Data Center visitation will be a thing. I know of several people (including myself) that left their original data center to avoid stalkers. When the floodgates open, there's really nothing stopping those who are still obsessed with their victims from finding them again. So yeah, I don't really care if a minority uses the system to blacklist people they don't like or want to run content with because there are THOUSANDS of people playing FF. It's worth implementing something to protect the majority.

[Kranel_San]

That's how ignore list works in wow. They can't see your premade group listing and you won't get partied with them in dungeon finder.

Not sure how it works with pvp because well, pvp sucks. There's also tens of thousands of people who pvp, you can't ignore them all

Was WoW any better for it? Sure some players benefitted from it in a good way, but it can also be one of the countless factors that made WoW toxic. No?
Also yes you can't blacklist all the people, but I'm pretty sure I can fit my DC finest PvP players into my 200. Maybe the Top 100 first of all?

I would rather have some sort of solution so that people can actually avoid those who harass them or try to stalk them in real life. Square literally does nothing in these situations because they expect the victim and the abuser to come to some sort of civility. That's literally why we can't unfriend someone and be unfriended on their end. Like, just that on its own would solve a lot of problems.

I think some are forgetting that soon Data Center visitation will be a thing. I know of several people (including myself) that left their original data center to avoid stalkers. When the floodgates open, there's really nothing stopping those who are still obsessed with their victims from finding them again. So yeah, I don't really care if a minority uses the system to blacklist people they don't like or want to run content with because there are THOUSANDS of people playing FF. It's worth implementing something to protect the majority.

I don't disagree with unfriending players from both ends. However, stalking in real life is your responsibility to take. Personal information should never be shared online unless you very much trust others with it. There is no way i can know where X player is from or where do they live unless they tell me so.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure the devs know what the Majority is and what's best for the game so I trust their judgment.