Blacklist Feature Request

[EmpyreanHelios]

If I'm not wrong, blacklisted players can't join your PF tho.

I think this is still true. The only saving grace of the current blacklist system.

As I have said earlier, unless a player is a snowflake who literally blacklist anyone they disagreed with, I don't see how a player can have more than 50 other players in their blacklist without counting the bots.

I feel like you haven't been playing this game for very long, or that you're lucky for not running into the types of people that we blacklist. You know, the ones who yell at new people for getting hit by AOEs and kick up a fuss about wipes on old content. Heck, I had a tank refuse to pull in one of the new raids because we wiped a few times on the release day and then we had to kick him.

And then to get the same people when we queue up for something else makes us feel like the blacklist is useless.

[Breakbeat]

I feel like you haven't been playing this game for very long, or that you're lucky for not running into the types of people that we blacklist. You know, the ones who yell at new people for getting hit by AOEs and kick up a fuss about wipes on old content.

A) Not possible, given the amount of time I've spent playing MMOs with zero folks ever on an ignore list (see post above for lowkey brag, not gonna repeat it again =P)

B) Yelling at someone for being hit by an AoE doesn't warrant a block, it warrants a polite request to not yell. Ditto 'kicking up a fuss about wipes in old content.'

My behavior doesn't perpetuate negativity, therefore negativity doesn't follow me around and happen everywhere. I also realize that humans aren't restricted to the care-bear happy-go-lucky type of behavior. When another human simply needs to vent for a minute, I won't put them on a block list for that reason. Someone would have to absolutely melt down with racial assaults, bigotry, unwarranted sexual talk, talk of illegal activities, etc., in order for me to block them.

Though I have seen that kind of talk, if it's not directed at me, then it warrants a report, not a block. What I consider 'reportable behavior' has never been directed at me, not in hundreds of thousands of interactions with other MMO players. Never, not once, since 1999. I ain't a magician or anything, so how have I avoided it? I dunno, you tell me.

We should all deal with these things (complaining about AoE damage or mechanics failures), try to put a positive angle on the interactions, and if that fails, move on. Humans will be humans and will use language humans do. I cannot and will not manipulate the environment so I can trick myself into thinking these things don't exist.

[Kranel_San]

I feel like you haven't been playing this game for very long, or that you're lucky for not running into the types of people that we blacklist. You know, the ones who yell at new people for getting hit by AOEs and kick up a fuss about wipes on old content. Heck, I had a tank refuse to pull in one of the new raids because we wiped a few times on the release day and then we had to kick him.

And then to get the same people when we queue up for something else makes us feel like the blacklist is useless.

By now, I have been playing for two years. In very rare cases have I met any kind of player unwilling to cooperate with the party. In these cases, in addition to kicking, sometimes we also report.
Blacklisting toxic or players with very bad behaviors is not a solution. Reporting is.
If blacklisting stopped players from getting matched with others who blacklisted them then this can easily be misused by many.
Sure you don't do it? Others will. If a feature can not be misused or affecting others negatively them I'm all with it, but as I have said this can easily be misused. In fact, in my EU DC ( Yes EU, not JP ) I have been in parties from the party finder where I have seen players blacklisting any who makes a single mistake. Even sometimes shouting their names or insulting them. Do you think this kind of players won't be encouraged with blacklisting allowing players not to get matched with blacklisted players?

[LianaThorne]

By now, I have been playing for two years. In very rare cases have I met any kind of player unwilling to cooperate with the party. In these cases, in addition to kicking, sometimes we also report.
Blacklisting toxic or players with very bad behaviors is not a solution. Reporting is.
If blacklisting stopped players from getting matched with others who blacklisted them then this can easily be misused by many.
Sure you don't do it? Others will. If a feature can not be misused or affecting others negatively them I'm all with it, but as I have said this can easily be misused. In fact, in my EU DC ( Yes EU, not JP ) I have been in parties from the party finder where I have seen players blacklisting any who makes a single mistake. Even sometimes shouting their names or insulting them. Do you think this kind of players won't be encouraged with blacklisting allowing players not to get matched with blacklisted players?

I would rather have some sort of solution so that people can actually avoid those who harass them or try to stalk them in real life. Square literally does nothing in these situations because they expect the victim and the abuser to come to some sort of civility. That's literally why we can't unfriend someone and be unfriended on their end. Like, just that on its own would solve a lot of problems.

I think some are forgetting that soon Data Center visitation will be a thing. I know of several people (including myself) that left their original data center to avoid stalkers. When the floodgates open, there's really nothing stopping those who are still obsessed with their victims from finding them again. So yeah, I don't really care if a minority uses the system to blacklist people they don't like or want to run content with because there are THOUSANDS of people playing FF. It's worth implementing something to protect the majority.

[Kranel_San]

That's how ignore list works in wow. They can't see your premade group listing and you won't get partied with them in dungeon finder.

Not sure how it works with pvp because well, pvp sucks. There's also tens of thousands of people who pvp, you can't ignore them all

Was WoW any better for it? Sure some players benefitted from it in a good way, but it can also be one of the countless factors that made WoW toxic. No?
Also yes you can't blacklist all the people, but I'm pretty sure I can fit my DC finest PvP players into my 200. Maybe the Top 100 first of all?

I would rather have some sort of solution so that people can actually avoid those who harass them or try to stalk them in real life. Square literally does nothing in these situations because they expect the victim and the abuser to come to some sort of civility. That's literally why we can't unfriend someone and be unfriended on their end. Like, just that on its own would solve a lot of problems.

I think some are forgetting that soon Data Center visitation will be a thing. I know of several people (including myself) that left their original data center to avoid stalkers. When the floodgates open, there's really nothing stopping those who are still obsessed with their victims from finding them again. So yeah, I don't really care if a minority uses the system to blacklist people they don't like or want to run content with because there are THOUSANDS of people playing FF. It's worth implementing something to protect the majority.

I don't disagree with unfriending players from both ends. However, stalking in real life is your responsibility to take. Personal information should never be shared online unless you very much trust others with it. There is no way i can know where X player is from or where do they live unless they tell me so.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure the devs know what the Majority is and what's best for the game so I trust their judgment.

[LianaThorne]

I don't disagree with unfriending players from both ends. However, stalking in real life is your responsibility to take. Personal information should never be shared online unless you very much trust others with it. There is no way i can know where X player is from or where do they live unless they tell me so.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure the devs know what the Majority is and what's best for the game so I trust their judgment.

Yeah, apologies that I was dating someone for 5 months and they chose to heavily stalk me in game afterwards and verbally harass anyone who I tried to become friends with who was male. I had to leave the DC, change my phone number and he's still, to this day, trying to contact me through friends/random people.

Apologies that my ex was also dating this girl and had a similar experience to me, except she showed up in person to take it one step further.

We didn't just give out our information to random people. These were people we had real relationships with. What? Do people even do that anymore?

Side note: I did also try to take it up with law enforcement on my end but getting justice for harassment/threats across state lines is not something that's easily done.

[Awha]

Yeah, apologies that I was dating someone for 5 months and they chose to heavily stalk me in game afterwards and verbally harass anyone who I tried to become friends with who was male. I had to leave the DC, change my phone number and he's still, to this day, trying to contact me through friends/random people.

Apologies that my ex was also dating this girl and had a similar experience to me, except she showed up in person to take it one step further.

We didn't just give out our information to random people. These were people we had real relationships with. What? Do people even do that anymore?

Side note: I did also try to take it up with law enforcement on my end but getting justice for harassment/threats across state lines is not something that's easily done.

That is a shame and it is unfortunate you had to experience such a thing. What they are saying is true the reality is we all make choices and sure sometimes a relationship goes sour and given the way our laws work not much can be done unless one is willing to bleed their bank account dry seeking justice.

All you can do is learn and be more careful and mindful moving forward. It largely is a personal responsibility to prevent or deal with stalkers if they are non violent. Do not get me wrong it is unfortunate but that is how things work within our legal system. Many aspects are just band-aid fixes that will do nothing to prevent a stalker from causing real harm. Though that is also part of the risk of dating and opening up you never really know who you are opening up to it is a leap of faith that has consequences.