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  1. #1
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    FlareVyzar's Avatar
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    Hatsuka Raigeki
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssunny2008 View Post
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    I don't want to be an elitist or anything. Just want people to stop spreading misinformation.

    If you got a 100 on day 1. You still hold the value of that 100 because you cleared before everyone else. Regardless if someone gets a better one.

    No you can't get carried on Day 1 by 7 people. Because your team does not even know the mechs. They makes the strat by themselves, for themselves, during their prog and clear. Week 1, there is no carry. No gear, no uptime strat. Nothing. You have to perform at high level while progging on non -universal strats (also known as self optimization). And if you never parsed before to get to that point. It is impossible to attempt Week 1.

    Try clearing E12S at i510 or any previous 4th floor raid at min-ilevel with your team and you will understand what kind of performance you need to get the clear.

    When we look at raid buffs in MNK's case, we don't fit in as many GCDs as a primary target to buff the party raid dps. We put as many hard hitting skills over the 5% damage buff increase. What you said about fitting fast GCDs is only affecting the MNK, and is way less raid damage when combined with everyone's party buff during brotherhood. You never do that for the sake of chakra only. Chakra procs are bonus. If you want more chakra procs at a better rate. You combine Monk with CRIT buffing classes because you are more guaranteed to get chakra procs with that than relying on the 20% rng of gcds.

    You made a statement about you getting logs, so it is obvious to check on your logs and i don't see anything you stated anywhere on it.
    If your better half got it. Then feel free to tell them to approach with it. As for not your main character. Well you are free to update your profile. Should you wish to show whatever you mentioned has credibility or does not. I will only check on per what you have stated as here on this thread.

    Don't want to cause an upsetting environment here. But don't go spreading mis information to players because when they step on where they want to improve. That is where mis information makes things harder for them.

    I approached your statement with proofs, you checking it out is on you. If you don't want to, then don't. But stop being hurt over when your information is not correct as a raider or to anyone who wants to approach and improve in raids.

    As for your e-**** statement, i don't use fflogs to show off my parses. They are there as credibility for improvement and which i use for recruitment purposes most of the time. I don't grind parses for months as stated in my previous post. I'm an early week blind prog player. Should i have tried showing off here, i would have been still grinding for parses. I enjoy optimization up to certain extent and that is about it.

    I don't want to hurt anyone here. But my words are blunt and straight to the point. If it upset you, then i appologize for that.
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    Last edited by FlareVyzar; 09-16-2021 at 07:41 AM.

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    ssunny2008's Avatar
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    Micela Arzur
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    Shiva
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    Pugilist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by FlareVyzar View Post
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    I know how week 1 clears work as much as math works and other stuff. I´ve played blind with one or another static too when i had more time or until i mentioned that someone is abusing a bot. Those have just been examples how incorrect the system is in some way, when ppl are like "wooooh my percentage".

    The MNK thing was just an example too and ofcourse you can count chakra just as a bonus. But you seem to take the best case szenarios in mind, the reality looks mostly different. You need a good team to make such things happen. But no matter if it´s ingame or in here in the forum, the most FF14 players are casual or mediocre. Half of them can´t even analyze stuff in logs or analyzes. Some are able to, but don´t understand it correctly or are not able to perform it better.
    If you don´t play in a badass group, you´re forced to adapt on the circumstances and you´ve to optimize on what is given and in the most cases you do even have to play close to the enrage. And there even such little things like a teamcomp can make a difference, especially when you want to optimize like 100dps.

    Yes i feel free about my privacy and will never do it. Either you can trust in my words or not. You could even judge about the stuff you can see on my alt, i don´t mind. I know how such logs happened and the circumstances i play and rely on. Ppl actually give such stuff way too much weight and forget things, which are way more important than some numbers in my eyes.


    And well, if you read your stuff by yourself, you should see that you claimed a lot about "check out" etc., as much as those 99 logs on X classes and whatever. That´s pretty much the ec comparison / elitism talk, even if this is not intended. A link to balance would´ve probably been enough. Ppl can´t copy / paste the stuff anyway, they just need some advice and grow by themself.
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    Last edited by ssunny2008; 09-16-2021 at 08:33 AM.

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    Kolsykol's Avatar
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    Aelona Chillwind
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    Lich
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    Ninja Lv 100
    I haven't seen anyone say that there is absolutely zero room for '' freestyling '', things are not literally always going to line up perfectly and you need to be adaptable.
    But we're not actually talking about that, what we're talking about are people who don't even bother to actually learn what is essentially the base rotation.

    It's like in the positionals discussion too where people start with saying that positionals don't matter, and then the conversation suddenly shifts into some weird strawman that people who say that they do are supposedly saying that you should literally get yourself killed in a fight just to not miss one positional.
    Even when people said the exact opposite the comment just before that.
    In reality what we were actually talking about was people who are just making up excuses to not make any effort to land even one and are intentionally ignoring them.
    And it's the same here when people come in and say that rotations don't matter and that you should just go in and freestyle.
    Not only do people have wildly different ideas of what that actually means ( looking at most SAM players I think one can get a good idea tho and it's not good... ), but it also imbues readers with this mindset and belief that they don't need to learn anything and can just run in and improvise it.
    And then a lot of these same people end up complaining about their damage being low and SAM needing buffs.
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    Leih'to Molkoh
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    Gladiator Lv 100
    All I am saying is that a large portion of the player base rarely even see an enrage cast bar filling up because they (and/or their teammates) are either over-geared or not good enough to reach it.
    Therefore, improving their skills to meet the DPS checks is obviously not a priority for them.
    I am not encouraging them being bad in any way.
    I am just saying that until they can actually feel the consequences of their lack of skill/knowledge, they don't have any reason to think that they need to improve.
    Now of course some players will naturally want to optimize their playstyle. But I would never expect it from the majority.
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    Chloe Atlasia
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    Ultros
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    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Garnix View Post
    All I am saying is that a large portion of the player base rarely even see an enrage cast bar filling up because they (and/or their teammates) are either over-geared or not good enough to reach it.
    Therefore, improving their skills to meet the DPS checks is obviously not a priority for them.
    I am not encouraging them being bad in any way.
    I am just saying that until they can actually feel the consequences of their lack of skill/knowledge, they don't have any reason to think that they need to improve.
    Now of course some players will naturally want to optimize their playstyle. But I would never expect it from the majority.
    the poster you are talking to is saying that freestyling is a unique label that basically only really applies to SAM because of some poor design choices from the devs that require unintuitive fixes on the part of the player.

    it has nothing to do with playing the way you want to play and is only tangentially related to having motivation to improve, as many freestyle SAMs are simply unaware of the little trick you need to do *despite* having said motivation.
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    SpeckledBurd's Avatar
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    K'ahli K'uhla'tor
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    Balmung
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    Monk Lv 100
    I think a lot of the confusion is that the parlance around Samurai has shifted in the last couple months.

    In Stormblood/the first half or so of Shadowbringers, Freestyle Samurai really did just refer to Samurai players who played poorly in the way they did other jobs and frequently used uncombo'd actions, didn't use Kenki, never got their buffs up/let them drop, ignored Higanbana, etc. It referring to Samurai who aren't perfectly maintaining a sixty second loop and losing Tsubame only started coming up recently.
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    Sasaki Haise
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    Diabolos
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    Summoner Lv 80
    I thought that Sam was in a good shape with it's DPS...
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