Samurai needs damage buffs

[Kalaam]

Parces and stuff are really only "useful" for very, very, very high end content. Like Min-item level savages or speedrunning raids.
Unless a specific job significantly makes fights take longer, or harder, just by being there even if played to perfection, we shouldn't care that much about the numbers

[Jirah]

FFlogs is not the problem here, since it clearly shows that SAM is 100% fine.

The problem is inexperienced players thinking they anything about jobs balance and crying of the forums about things they don't know anything about.

Also true, hence why I will never argue with balance nor will I care for it unless somthing is dangerously underpowered or I’m getting those “Please no <Insert Job here>” parties

[Garnix]

for being one of the two selfish DPS, it is too far behind BLM. MNK and even RDM can outdamage SAM in fights that SAM should win

I disagree. And that's precisely one more example of why parsing is not used correctly. Statistics are just statistics. You can interpret them in many ways.


1) SAM is probably one of the easiest jobs to get good damage output with. I am sure you can find on your favorite parsing tools that the weakest SAM has higher DPS than the weaker MNK or RDM.
2) SAM has no utility. The fact that Monk and Red Mage have utilities increase their contribution to the raid by an amount that greatly depends on how much your party members perform. The reason you see better logs for MNK and RDM in fflogs could simply be because the ones who upload their logs buffed some very very good players. You should look at the average output, not at the max value. But...the average player also don't upload their logs...
3) SAM is a very very popular job in raids. It has the highest amount of uploaded parses on FFlogs. Even though there are a lot less MNKs, the difference between min and max output is much bigger. Which means their damage is a lot more consistent, as you would expect and want from a selfish melee DPS.
4) You could also look at aDPS instead of just looking at rDPS and notice that SAM is higher than BLM.
5) Neither aDPS and rDPS are 100% accurate metric as it all depends on your own skills, your party skills, your party composition etc.

Now if you can show some actual exact values to prove your point instead of relying on stats, sure.

[KDSilver]

Proof, number, logs, videos, whatever you want that show us your point.
Cause we have data that shows that samurai is where is should be, he's good and high.

[nalgene]

I don't SAM, but what fights are RDM out-DPSing them in?

[Mikey_R]

Any fight where the SAM is bad and the RDM is decent. No good Samurai will be outdone by another job, except BLM, not counting gear.

[Kolsykol]

If SAM's started using their dots maybe their damage wouldn't be so low.

Seriously tho I almost feel like at least 70% of SAM's never use their dots or they use it once and then forget for the rest of the fight.

[Godzillaxpowerrangers]

If SAM's started using their dots maybe their damage wouldn't be so low.

Seriously tho I almost feel like at least 70% of SAM's never use their dots or they use it once and then forget for the rest of the fight.

My soul crys a little every time another samura doesi not use banana.

[Gemina]

My soul crys a little every time another samura doesi not use banana.

I see this a lot. Like a lot, a lot. So much that it is actually pretty rare I get a PUG SAM who upkeeps it. I am not sure why this is, but the SAM DoT is pretty damn strong, and contributes a large portion to their overall damage. I don't view logs, but if I did and saw that a SAM was underperforming, their DoT and KOs would be the first two things I would look at. Newer players should learn that their DoTs allow them to continue to do damage when mechs force them out of range, and even if they die.

All DPS jobs should obviously care about doing damage, but jobs like SAM and BLM who bring nothing but damage really have to learn to optimize so they bring as much as possible. As a healer, SAM and BLM are the two jobs that I don't mind one bit if they greed. Just try not to off yourselves. Then it was in vein. They don't need dmg buffs though, and it looks like it is going to be even easier for them to out damage everyone else.

[Arkdra]

I am not sure why this is, but the SAM DoT is pretty damn strong, and contributes a large portion to their overall damage.

Because it's a tricky skill to gauge how to use and most people just shut their brains off and run dungeons. First, you have to understand how dot dps is calculated and you won't without going offsite because the game never explains it. Assuming you do understand how dots work, you then need to math out the breakpoint of higenbana versus midare, which I am pretty sure it's 42 seconds before higenbana outdps's midare but it's been forever since I checked. Then you need to gauge the bosses health versus the rate at which it's dropping and determin if it's going to live/exist on the field long enough for higenbana to be best value for your sen. Which you know, for the kind of person willing to do this kind of research, this is baby stuff. It's easy as hell. But if you aren't that kind of person, the game doesn't do a lot to teach you about it.

So basically, proper higenbana use requires you to seek out off-site information and use game instinct and the average player has no interest in doing either. The average player probably hasn't opened their spell book to even see that higenbana exists, let's be honest.