the immersion problem made by glams

[Halivel]

what casual modern outfits we got from 2.0? the really casual modern outfits started in 4.x as far as i know.

Snow/Light attire was added in 2.05. Cloud's attire was added in 2.51. You might say "but they're crossovers" - they are, but they're in the game, and they are 100% modern. Wedding attires were added in 2.45. Valentine aprons were added in 2.1. Just what I can think of fast.

If we are talking about casual attires - yes, those are indeed becoming more of a norm to be included starting from Stormblood and onwards, but "modern glamours", as a concept, were a thing since almost the start of the game, with several of them being included during first expansion mostly through collabls and events, then a whole lot coming in Heavensward, and then being mixed with more casual clothes in Stormblood and onwards. Which isn't a bad thing, it still doesn't break anything.

Nero and Cid create for us goddamn futuristic armor since level 50, just look at Ironworks - having a pair of jeans (that were invented in 1800s, so they aren't even all that modern) or sneakers (that also were invented at about the same time with jeans) next to some of our armor sets isn't really all that weird. Not any more weird that seeing an Elezen in a frog costume in Il Mheg during beast tribe quests. /shrug

[Kozh]

Very very wrong in FFXIV alone, never mind throwing in other mainline games in as well. FFVII, VIII, XIII (1, 2 and 3) and XV have loads of modern tech in them and often their tech far outpaces what we in the real world currently have. In FFXIV there is an entire nation that relies almost exclusively on tech - the Garleans. The msq made a point to say that pure-blooded Garleans cannot manipulate aether so they had to turn to technology in order to compete with magic users. Yes in some cases they use tech to interact with crystals but most of their tech relies on ceruleum which is a natural resource in the world quite like oil and gas. Aside from that tech they rely on conscripted soldiers of other races to have magic users in their armies. It's actually because of the Garlean industrial revolution that they gained the power to become a huge empire.

To be fair, samsara is technically correct since everything in ffxiv world is made up by aether, which basically a magical atom I guess. Ceruleum is just another form of condensed aether, like the crystals but liquid form. And tbh, while magitek is a technology, they sometimes are borderline magic as well (capable of copying the echo, the Weapons, diabolos from Bozja story).

[Alexandre_Noireau]

To be fair, samsara is technically correct since everything in ffxiv world is made up by aether, which basically a magical atom I guess. Ceruleum is just another form of condensed aether, like the crystals but liquid form. And tbh, while magitek is a technology, they sometimes are borderline magic as well (capable of copying the echo, the Weapons, diabolos from Bozja story).

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

Arthur C Clark.
Probably before he became the first Allagan or something.

[kaynide]

I mean, you're just going to keep moving goal posts...but:

2.x We got all the bikinis/swimwear from 1.0 and more. Bikinis, believe it or not, are indeed modern.

Doesn't count as clothing? ...ok

2.x also gave us the Santa tunic. A red santa (and indeed Santa in general) is a fairly modern thing. Too christmasy.. ok ok

How about the fishnet tights we got at the Gold Saucer?

.. ok Fine...Here's one that's obscure.

The garter belts (not the garter you see in wedding traditions, but the actual suspender-belt that holds up stockings) you can find on certain skirts (like the Patrician's). That's a fairly modern invention. Like 1920s. That's on almost every skirt/hose of crafting you can find. Or are skirts too formal?

I'm not even going into the hot mess that is Rowena's fashion during Heavensward.

Or were you only asking for "Modern, 2010s style, for men"?

Edit: Not trying to jump on you- it could just be a lost in translation and you are genuinely curious. If so, please do ask any questions and I'm sure people (myself included) will be happy to provide information.

[SamsaraTrickstar]

I mean, you're just going to keep moving goal posts...but:

2.x We got all the bikinis/swimwear from 1.0 and more. Bikinis, believe it or not, are indeed modern.

Doesn't count as clothing? ...ok

2.x also gave us the Santa tunic. A red santa (and indeed Santa in general) is a fairly modern thing. Too christmasy.. ok ok

How about the fishnet tights we got at the Gold Saucer?

.. ok Fine...Here's one that's obscure.

The garter belts (not the garter you see in wedding traditions, but the actual suspender-belt that holds up stockings) you can find on certain skirts (like the Patrician's). That's a fairly modern invention. Like 1920s. That's on almost every skirt/hose of crafting you can find. Or are skirts too formal?


Or were you only asking for "Modern, 2010s style, for men"?

good points, i dont move them i just did not make my self clear. i don't say there was non at all just asked witch of them was this soon.

[Rowde]

When ppl aren't wearing swimsuits it ruins the immersion of my "beach trip arc" that's lasted for 700 episodes and is till ongoing.

[Guntank81]

This person decided to complain about modern looking glams when we have literal MECHS in and futuristic sci-fi monsters.

[Livilda]

so i know its not a new topic and all but it need to be talk of much more.
the all the time incising amount of modern looking glams killing any immersion in the game. now yes there was modern looking gear/glam in the past as ell, but all of it got a fantasy touch. but in 5.x we got just normal modern looking glams that got no fantasy element to them.
now there 2 ways to "fix this problem"
1. make it so people can turn off glams from other players.
2. add more npc's to the world that wear this glams/gear.
what you think of this, you see it as a problem or don't care. how you will fix it , take them out is not a good fix as there people that do like them.

[Chawan]

I like to feel pulled in to the world i play too sometimes so I get what you are saying. At first when you come from other games from say WoW where there is definitely a theme of sorts and all or at least most the armor fit within said theme. Everything is midevil steam punk high/dark fantasy esk.. you don’t suddenly see 21st centry school outfits.. it is some getting use to here.. Ffxiv seems more relaxed in regards to world building.

If you pay attention though the world of ffxiv is an amalgamation of other universes.. they have access to other dimensions, and worlds. The world also has magic of course that is capable of some serious stuff.. the way i look at it is these glams come from being exposed to other worlds.. In our own real world once someone creates something and the right person sees that creation mimicking starts to happen. All it takes is a glimpse of something that someone else wants that is determined enough to try and make their own. I imagine the same happens in this world.. atmosphere ffxiv is a result of exposure to other worlds and great magics. That is how I choose to look at it.

My glamors are a mix between old gear i just like and a few bits of out of world items. Tho due to my mindset it doesn’t actually break my immersion.. I am still the warrior of Eorzea that can see all and know all with penalty of brief migraines..

You could also just look at it as ffxiv just being pure dumb fun.. nothing stops you from being what you like.

That said i have nothing against a client side toggle of sorts. I think it might even help with the tech drought and people having to use older inferior tech due to high prices and total scarcity of gpus. I mean I probably wouldn’t use it.. but i have already had to reduce the complexity of others glams due to a previous gpu failure and having to revert to an older card. So it’s not like it wouldn’t have practical use in todays climate..

[TaleraRistain]

At first when you come from other games from say WoW where there is definitely a theme of sorts and all or at least most the armor fit within said theme.

The theme there is "How spikey can you make your shoulderpads?"

My warlock's were pretty ridiculous.