Calling players bad because they're slow at improving...

[Ativan]

... is supremely unconstructive, pointless, and only exacerbates the issue. Telling someone that they're bad when you're so impatient as to ridicule them after they fail to the same mechanic three times; telling someone they're bad when they declined your unwarranted, unasked for, and unprompted "feedback"; telling someone they're bad when they just want a stress-free, casual experience of this game - these are all behaviors that are rotten to the core. They reek of elitism and ableism, and belie a hollow core of morality, in which any shred of empathy can not be found.

It is therefore beyond disappointing to see community leaders and content creators chide those who are slower at improving as being 'bad'.

First of all, not everyone is able to learn at the same speed as you. While it might take you only two or three tries to comprehend a mechanic, someone might take fifty times - and that's OK. This game is not a job and there is no metric for players to meet. We are here to play the game, not to fulfill some arbitrary performance metric like in an Amazon warehouse.

Second of all, people can and do forget mechanics over time that they have not seen frequently. Not everyone no-lifes this game for 10 hours a day to instantly recognize every mechanic that they see. Do not assume that people are locked in the basement as you are to be able to perfectly memorize every single mechanic and rotation in the game.

Third of all, it is the height of ableism to assume that everyone playing this game can dodge AoEs perfectly all the time. People do and will age, and reaction times do grow slower. Complaining and insulting a player as "bad" because they stood in an AoE can and often are instances of ableism and ageism, by indirectly insulting their decreased reaction speed as they grow older.

What makes a "bad player" is not failure at improving. What makes a "bad player" are those that go around personally harassing, insulting, and picking fights with other players because of some self-conceived notion of good and bad. Get off your high horse and let players enjoy the game the way they want to.

[Lihtleita]

did someone call you bad in duty roulette

[Ativan]

did someone call you bad in duty roulette

You must think you are very hilarious. But no, I am simply responding to this disappointing video made by Zepla:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQpoXq67o5c

[Neoyoshi]

The current flowchart shows that the Titanmen disapproval rating is at a all-time low hanging fruit.

[Mikey_R]

Then you didn't really pay attention to the video.

She defined bad players as ones that essentially do not want to learn. If you are below average but are willing to improve, whether that is doing your own research or taking advice from others, then you are not considered a bad player. You can get hit by a mechanic a few times before you understand it, however, (in my opinion) if you are still dying to a mechanic after 50 tries at it, you need to do some research to figure out that mechanic as you clearly aren't understanding it.

Also, to counter some points. The vast majority of encounters you would do through DF do not have hard mechanics. There might be the odd fight here and there, but overall, nothing to too bad. For dungeons especially, as of mid HW, all mechanics have a unique indicator, just learning the indicators and what they mean will get you through most bosses. Even for normal trials, you can use your marker knowledge to execute attacks as they appear, no need to learn the fight and memorise it for the rest of time.

It is the unwillingness to learn that makes someone bad, not the lack of fight knowledge.

[Chawan]

If you refuse to learn mechanics, and or do something like stand in garbage that hurts yu or might wipe the party to spite others who were simply trying to help you understand then yes imo you are a bad player..

If you are willing to learn and do whatever it takes to learn your fine.. Some people take a while longer to learn things than others.. I am one of those people.. I have a learning disability, takes me a bit longer to catch on than others, and I learn by doing much more than by just watching other people play.. so simply watchin a yt video doesn’t really help me much. I forget mechanics ALL the time. Sometimes i have to do something like a dosen times before i flipping get it.. but i keep trying. And i have anxiety so that doesn’t help.. I have only once i think gotten really harped at for being a bad healer and that was when I first played back at the end of ARR.. since i have come back tho i have only had people try to help if I was missing something or could improve.. sometimes I feel bad cause I don’t know what they are talking about.. but generally ppl tend to be helpful if you are willing to learn..

If you have too much trouble though you can always make friends and just only run with friends.. I know that is not very easy but it is a way.

Also sometimes not all classes are meant for all people.. you might wish to be a class that just doesn’t actually fit well with you. Try something else and see if things improve.

Those are just my thoughts though.

[MicahZerrshia]

What makes a "bad player" is not failure at improving. What makes a "bad player" are those that go around personally harassing, insulting, and picking fights with other players because of some self-conceived notion of good and bad. Get off your high horse and let players enjoy the game the way they want to.

Picture it Paglth'an lvl 80.

Black Mage in the party is casting f3 > b3 > f3 > b3 and on packs flare > freeze > flare > freeze > flare

Me: hey man would you like some tips on your rotation?

Blm: .........

Me: You know you could really up your dps with a couple little tweeks

Blm: dude, shut up, I'm fine, it's just a dungeon...

[BeerMusketeer]

Pretty sure OP is trolling. If so, it's a pretty good one honestly. If not, it's very funny. Regardless I'd advise againdt biting, though I know people will. They always do.

[Karthunk]

Picture it Paglth'an lvl 80.

Black Mage in the party is casting f3 > b3 > f3 > b3 and on packs flare > freeze > flare > freeze > flare

Me: hey man would you like some tips on your rotation?

Blm: .........

Me: You know you could really up your dps with a couple little tweeks

Blm: dude, shut up, I'm fine, it's just a dungeon...

Finding a good BLM is like finding lost treasure in your backyard. I never realized how terrible most dps players are at the game until I decided to see the dps info in real time.

I don't call anyone on anything but if someone is detrimental to my gaming experience to the point that I am going to spend 30+ mins of my life suffering them I just leave the group.

On the issue of bad, it takes litterly a max of 10 mins to watch a video clip on all the encounters to expect in a dungeon or raid. How about spend the 10 mins so the rest of us don't have to spend 30+ mins wiping because you don't know any of the mechanics?

[Vahlnir]

Finding a good BLM is like finding lost treasure in your backyard. I never realized how terrible most dps players are at the game until I decided to see the dps info in real time.

I don't call anyone on anything but if someone is detrimental to my gaming experience to the point that I am going to spend 30+ mins of my life suffering them I just leave the group.

On the issue of bad, it takes litterly a max of 10 mins to watch a video clip on all the encounters to expect in a dungeon or raid. How about spend the 10 mins so the rest of us don't have to spend 30+ mins wiping because you don't know any of the mechanics?

Outside of Extremes or Savage (or for some, Ultimate) watching a video guide is not needed. At all. The mechanics are simple enough to be learned on the fly, even if it takes a few attempts.