Healers Exist for DPS fun only?

[Kabooa]

Remember, the reason tanks and healers only do 40-50% of the damage a dps does instead of 75% with more engagement, is so even bad dps can feel useful. We can't even feel powerful or have more impact to a raid, despite being the most in-demand roles, because bad dps wouldn't feel as important.

It's just sad when making tank/heal appealing by making them powerful juggarnauts that you're glad to see on a team when played well is so unthinkable, that they had to resort to simplification, making us 1 button glarebots or watered down melee that press a cd 3 times in a 10 minute fight to try and convince people to play them instead for a free pass in endgame content.

53-60%.

Lets at least use the right numbers, hrm?

[FoxCh40s]

53-60%.

Lets at least use the right numbers, hrm?

Do you always have to be so..... abrasive?

You understood what they meant, arguing semantics doesn't really move an arguement forward.

[Kabooa]

Do you always have to be so..... abrasive?

You understood what they meant, arguing semantics doesn't really move an arguement forward.

The argument is that "We are less engaging and weaker".

The reality is "We are subjectively less engaging and stronger than we've ever been."

Healers moving into Shadowbringers were -brought up to the level of Astrologian at the end of Stormblood- in terms of their damage contribution. Take a moment to consider that. Of all the jobs in this expansion, healers proportionally increased the most in terms of raid damage. Attempting to paint the scenario as that not being the case is disingenuous. Why should I, or any one else for that matter, take an argument seriously when the facts are being misrepresented so?

When you are making subjective arguments, purposely making up information that is objective in an attempt to sway the argument should not only be corrected but called out.

I would hope that you would do no less to me if I said "Healers are in the best spot they've ever been because they deal more damage than bards.", and I would expect no less. I'd honestly be insulted if you didn't.

[FoxCh40s]

The argument is that "We are less engaging and weaker".

The reality is "We are subjectively less engaging and stronger than we've ever been."

Healers moving into Shadowbringers were -brought up to the level of Astrologian at the end of Stormblood- in terms of their damage contribution. Take a moment to consider that. Of all the jobs in this expansion, healers proportionally increased the most in terms of raid damage. Attempting to paint the scenario as that not being the case is disingenuous. Why should I, or any one else for that matter, take an argument seriously when the facts are being misrepresented so?

When you are making subjective arguments, purposely making up information that is objective in an attempt to sway the argument should not only be corrected but called out.

I would hope that you would do no less to me if I said "Healers are in the best spot they've ever been because they deal more damage than bards.", and I would expect no less. I'd honestly be insulted if you didn't.

I mean, fair enough. However the arguement is really less about damage, and more about how the role overall feels. I think that's where the rub is coming from; adding mathematical information to a subjectively emotional topic is kind of like saying Apples and Oranges are the same because they are fruit.

Yes, they are fruit, however they taste entirely different, and some people may like them, and some may not.

I don't mind the presenting of mathematical information, however it's relevancy inside this topic is a bit off kilter, and off subject. It merely deflects the topic, rather than moving it forward.

You are without a doubt one of the more logical and factually accurate posters I've seen over the years, I will indeed tip my hat at that Kabooa.

[Kabooa]

I don't mind the presenting of mathematical information, however it's relevancy inside this topic is a bit off kilter, and off subject. It merely deflects the topic, rather than moving it forward.

The topic where we designated an other to vent our frustration on to?

The best way for that topic to move forward is kill the thread, and I'm well aware of the irony that I've contributed so much to it, so with a less than graceful exit, I'll sign off here.

Edit: As a small post-leaving thought, I do hope the live letter has something for you and others to like from it. Fingers crossed.

[nalgene]

Does anyone that posts on the Healer Roles subforum actually enjoy healing

[FoxCh40s]

Does anyone on that posts on the Healer Roles subforum actually enjoy healing

Not anymore, no.

[Recon1o6]

Does anyone on that posts on the Healer Roles subforum actually enjoy healing

Healing right now is fun if your idea of fun is being a healbot. If it isn't, then its boring at best and an abomination at worst and a massive insult given we've had 2 years of feedback and 4 for whm without anything so much as an acknowledgement.

[Videra]

Does anyone on that posts on the Healer Roles subforum actually enjoy healing

Big nopers.

[Mortex]

Does anyone on that posts on the Healer Roles subforum actually enjoy healing

There was a time back in the dark ages or too say it with Lord Elrond words “ I was there. I was there 3000 years ago ...”