Large quantity of gil disappeared.

[hynaku]

Anyone that does that should be instantly banned. Since your taking advantage of a bug or exploit.

[BristolRuss]

Anyone that does that should be instantly banned. Since your taking advantage of a bug or exploit.

Nope.

Don't want to buy coke for one million gil each? Simple, don't click on the retainer and confirm that you do indeed want to buy coke for 1 million gil each.

[DragoAskani]

Nope.

Don't want to buy coke for one million gil each? Simple, don't click on the retainer and confirm that you do indeed want to buy coke for 1 million gil each.

Actually they should both be banned/suspended. The auto clicker and the one taking advantage of them. They are both in the wrong.

[Reinha]

Actually they should both be banned/suspended. The auto clicker and the one taking advantage of them. They are both in the wrong.

Normal players shouldn't be expected to guess who is using a bot and who isn't. The default assumption is that everyone is following the rules.

[DragoAskani]

Normal players shouldn't be expected to guess who is using a bot and who isn't. The default assumption is that everyone is following the rules.

Right because the "normal" player put a vendor full of cheap merchandise for millions of gil conveniently where the botter was is purely accidental. If you believe that I have a lovely bridge I would like to sell you.

[Reinha]

Right because the "normal" player put a vendor full of cheap merchandise for millions of gil conveniently where the botter was is purely accidental. If you believe that I have a lovely bridge I would like to sell you.

It doesn't matter what I believe. It's not against the rules to sell items. The devs aren't going to punish players who operate as if everyone else is following the rules and who aren't breaking any rules themselves.

Botting and sharing your account are forbidden so that any disputes will be resolved under the assumption that the player character was controlled by the player. There is no ambiguity or nuance in this matter. A bot program doesn't make other people liable for its mistakes.

[CKNovel]

Right because the "normal" player put a vendor full of cheap merchandise for millions of gil conveniently where the botter was is purely accidental. If you believe that I have a lovely bridge I would like to sell you.

In a normal scenario, the bot doesn't exist and if the player wants to put the vendor full of merchandise for millions of gils, then they are free to do so.

There's nothing against TOS to put your vendor in a specific spot or selling overpriced items.
That the bot exist or not is not the question, it should be straight up out of the equation.

If someone buys an overpriced item on accident, that's their responsibility.
If someone uses a bot against TOS, that's their responsibility.

You don't call the police when you "accidentally" bought a sandwich for 20$ and are refused any refund.

[Krotoan]

Actually they should both be banned/suspended. The auto clicker and the one taking advantage of them. They are both in the wrong.

I can understand how you'd feel someone taking advantage of anothers naivety or scamming someone would be worthy of punishment, but how is targeting already dishonest people into not getting their desired outcome from "cheating" worth that?

They wouldn't be "at risk" if they weren't already cheating, and they cannot report people for the "scam" since it wouldn't work on anyone who wasn't cheating unless they were blindly hammering buttons and controls while wandering around the housing district.

It isn't admirable, especially if done exclusively to make money off others who are cheating by moving houses constantly and then scooping up botter gil. But it's not exploiting any designed in game mechanic or misrepresenting anything to other players. The only "exploit" is of a 3rd party system that is explicitly prohibited to use, so by all rules and terms of service there is no reason to punish someone who does it.

[lezard21]

Actually they should both be banned/suspended. The auto clicker and the one taking advantage of them. They are both in the wrong.

Show me the rule where a player is not allowed to post an Animal Hide for 999M gil and have to conform to community predetermined prices.

Don't look for it. There isn't.

You are free to post any item for whatever price you want. If it's overpriced it won't sell. People will decide not to click the 3 times required to buy it.

Unless you are cheating. In which case you decided to trust the decision making for clicking to a 3rd party program.

Right because the "normal" player put a vendor full of cheap merchandise for millions of gil conveniently where the botter was is purely accidental. If you believe that I have a lovely bridge I would like to sell you.

Again who decided those items are cheap? There is no rule that says people should stick to community established prices.

You know what there is a rule for?

Using 3rd party programs that give people an unfair advantage over others. There is even a line specifically mentioning programs that allow you to perform tasks while you are not there.

Third-party programs and tools that permit automated or "absentee" play are prohibited.

[DragoAskani]

Show me the rule were a player is not allowed to post an Animal Hide for 999M gil and have to conform to community predetermined prices.

Don't look for it. There isn't.

You are free to post any item for whatever price you want. If it's overpriced it won't sell. People will decide not to click the 3 times required to buy it.

Unless you are cheating. In which case you decided to trust the decision making for clicking to a 3rd party program.

Would think it falls under profiteering off other players cheating. That is a thing you know, and this could fall under such a scope when its clearly done with clearly malicious intent. When they should have reported the cheater. So no, they are both in the wrong. You will not change my mind.