Suggestion: Change the Mentor Icons

[LokiAlpha]

So, there was a recent thread on Reddit discussing what makes a mentor a mentor, and people discussed different ways to try and fix people abusing the mentor system.

So, I was reading through the threads and someone mentioned that they think an easy fix would be to, instead of giving the player a "crown" as their icon they get a watering can. Not only would it match the aesthetics of "nurturing a sprout", it also would get rid of people getting the mentor crown just to have a crown in their name.

Am I the only one that thinks this is a brilliant idea? (Obviously other than the first person who suggested the idea in the first place)

[Karthunk]

Yeap and remove the mount.

[LianaThorne]

A vast amount would rather just see mentorship & the NN removed completely I think.

[Rae88]

A vast amount would rather just see mentorship & the NN removed completely I think.

Pretty much this. Mentors have a really, REALLY bad name in much of the FFXIV twitch community now

[Deceptus]

Pretty much this. Mentors have a really, REALLY bad name in much of the FFXIV twitch community now

Only because the playerbase refuses to give most Mentors a chance.

Get a bad "Mentor" one or twice a month? "I knew it, those mentors are sh!t" "Of course, you're a mentor" etc etc

While ignoring the 20 or so mentors you don't even notice in the background giving positive advice.

People remember bad experiences because they tie emotion to them. This is a known psychological affect.

[SturmChurro]

A vast amount would rather just see mentorship & the NN removed completely I think.

Exactly. I don't think the system can be salvaged.

[Jin-]

A vast amount would rather just see mentorship & the NN removed completely I think.

Result of an echo chamber like ARR being shit and PvP being worst thing ever. All are false btw, just enough dummies repeat them it spreads to the minds of ignorant people who then spread it more.

There's far more good in NN than there's bad. I really would love to see any kind of proof that it's a "Barrens chat" 24/7 like many of the haters say so (Reddit). Again sounds like they never really used it to be honest.

Zepla's crappy hate nurturing video is just proof of this mindset. And source, surprise surprise is Twitter.

[SturmChurro]

Result of an echo chamber like ARR being shit and PvP being worst thing ever. All are false btw, just enough dummies repeat them it spreads to the minds of ignorant people who then spread it more.

There's far more good in NN than there's bad. I really would love to see any kind of proof that it's a "Barrens chat" 24/7 like many of the haters say so (Reddit). Again sounds like they never really used it to be honest.

Zepla's crappy hate nurturing video is just proof of this mindset. And source, surprise surprise is Twitter.

No, I've experienced just how toxic and/or unhelpful the NN and mentors in general can be personally. I have also played PvP in this game - including Feast - and I also think PvP is terrible. My opinion is via experience, NOT ignorance. For that matter, I can count on one hand the amount of FFXIV YouTube videos or YouTubers I have watched (I don't even watch guides). I think it's fair to say that it's not all a result of an echo chamber, or spread from ignorance. There's a basis here.

[AusarViled]

Mentors is kind of an idea that seems good on paper- like communism- but in practicality is poorly conceived mess. The vary nature of humanity means this idea won’t work…

(1) You provide a mount in game, no other way to get it, the people join for all wrong reasons. You should be a mentor to help not to exploit others.

(2) Most mentors are not very good at game- based of what I personally seen. The crown then puts further frustration and expectation on mentors, which is like adding fuel to a burning stove, it’s no wonder mentors often yell at sprouts

(3) Any one can be a mentor, even theoretically a 9 year old child. Regardless of how good one is in a game, being good does not mean one is a good teacher. Eg: I am a fencer IRL, I am a good fencer, but I would utterly loose my chill if I had to teach someone else. ‘Teaching a child is hard, even when dealing with a young and flexible mind…’ [Bioware, Kotor1]. SE can’t expect good performance for people who have no training in dealing with people.

(4) Sprout chat is very toxic and inappropriate. I have watched Zepha video about stories of mentors asking / tricking naive people who don’t know technology to give out their credit cards. Even on lighter cases. It is creepy and can prevent people from sticking with game.

(5): It takes away from exploration and learning by spoon feeding people, which results in them being unable to think on their own, and then whipe constantly in raids

[Lufir]

Mentors is kind of an idea that seems good on paper- like communism- but in practicality is poorly conceived mess. The vary nature of humanity means this idea won’t work…

(1) You provide a mount in game, no other way to get it, the people join for all wrong reasons. You should be a mentor to help not to exploit others.

(2) Most mentors are not very good at game- based of what I personally seen. The crown then puts further frustration and expectation on mentors, which is like adding fuel to a burning stove, it’s no wonder mentors often yell at sprouts

(3) Any one can be a mentor, even theoretically a 9 year old child. Regardless of how good one is in a game, being good does not mean one is a good teacher. Eg: I am a fencer IRL, I am a good fencer, but I would utterly loose my chill if I had to teach someone else. ‘Teaching a child is hard, even when dealing with a young and flexible mind…’ [Bioware, Kotor1]. SE can’t expect good performance for people who have no training in dealing with people.

(4) Sprout chat is very toxic and inappropriate. I have watched Zepha video about stories of mentors asking / tricking naive people who don’t know technology to give out their credit cards. Even on lighter cases. It is creepy and can prevent people from sticking with game.

(5): It takes away from exploration and learning by spoon feeding people, which results in them being unable to think on their own, and then whipe constantly in raids

1. Another mount reason lol. I didn't know mentoring was so black and white: its impossible for a mentor to be helpful while also aiming for the mount. Either they help for free and gain no compensation for their time or they are exploiting? What is your opinion on a person who gets paid to tutor a language or help others prepare for SATs?

2. This is subjective. Some think mentors should carry them through savage fights. Others expect an answer to the question "where is the level 45 quest starts?" in 5 seconds or they suck.

3. Mentors are not customer service representatives or GMs. Why would they need training in dealing with people?

4. I don't follow. You heard a story of a mentor scamming someone? Therefore all mentors are scammers? That person should be reported as a player, not as an entire system.

5. Wait so you want mentors to be helpful, but not too helpful?