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    The other MMOs use lockout timers doesn't justify them. That is on the lines of my baby sister going "All the other kids are doing it" argument.

    Yoshi says he sees this game as a Amusement Park. So far, in this park, when you ride the Hamlet go round, which is only available at certain times of the week, you told told not to ride again for 15 minutes.

    Me- But there is no line and I'm having fun. I thought I was paying you guys so I could have fun on your rides.

    SE- Not my problem, you should play on one of our other attractions like Whack a Giga-toad or Crafter Button Masher.

    Me- Those are either really far away from here or completely boring to me. I don't have all day, can't I just do the Hamlet go round that I'm already here for and enjoy?

    SE- Nope, less access we give you the more you will enjoy it.

    Me- Wait what?


    Sounds like a poorly run park to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klive View Post
    The other MMOs use lockout timers doesn't justify them. That is on the lines of my baby sister going "All the other kids are doing it" argument.

    Yoshi says he sees this game as a Amusement Park. So far, in this park, when you ride the Hamlet go round, which is only available at certain times of the week, you told told not to ride again for 15 minutes.

    Me- But there is no line and I'm having fun. I thought I was paying you guys so I could have fun on your rides.
    Well there is a line, the server is only capable of providing instances for X amount of people, thats why the lock out is there, so that instances don't get flooded.

    SE- Not my problem, you should play on one of our other attractions like Whack a Giga-toad or Crafter Button Masher.
    You don't have to do that you can go farm Ifrit, Moogle, AV or CC as I said previously.

    Me- Those are either really far away from here or completely boring to me. I don't have all day, can't I just do the Hamlet go round that I'm already here for and enjoy?
    No you can't, Se need to provide everyone with an equal experience, which means a server capable of holding individual instances for everyone who wants to partake in the content.

    SE- Nope, less access we give you the more you will enjoy it.
    They arent' restricting you to inhibit your enjoyment, that would be the worst thing they could do.
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    Last edited by Jinko; 04-30-2012 at 06:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klive View Post
    The other MMOs use lockout timers doesn't justify them. That is on the lines of my baby sister going "All the other kids are doing it" argument.
    You make a poor attempt to discredit my claim. I look at it as more "hey, it works. So, why not?".

    The content is designed so that you're encouraged to participate given that the event becomes available after a span of time. The main problem is that if you can spam it all you're doing is going against the RNG some more as well as clogging the servers because of the number of instances that have to be generated.

    Again, pacing and gating mechanisms. They need to be worked on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinko View Post
    You do realise that most mmos have 24 hour lock out on the raid and dungeon content.

    Even WoW which is a casual MMO has 24 hour lock outs.

    15 mins is nothing.
    I'd take a longer lockout to have a guaranteed chance at a drop, regardless if I could use it or not. I liked the loot system in WoW. When I was playing, raids had 3 or 7 day lockouts. Each boss had a static loot pool and was guaranteed to drop something everytime. Granted, it can get frustrating to see an item drop 8 weeks in a row with only so many people that can use it (with WoW anyway since you were locked into the class you were playing) but I'd rather see SOMETHING. The primals and the speed runs have really worn me down. I'd rather take a one day lockout and have a guaranteed chance at some gear, and then do some crafting or whatever else I want to do in the meantime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orophin View Post
    I'd take a longer lockout to have a guaranteed chance at a drop, regardless if I could use it or not. I liked the loot system in WoW. When I was playing, raids had 3 or 7 day lockouts. Each boss had a static loot pool and was guaranteed to drop something everytime. Granted, it can get frustrating to see an item drop 8 weeks in a row with only so many people that can use it (with WoW anyway since you were locked into the class you were playing) but I'd rather see SOMETHING. The primals and the speed runs have really worn me down. I'd rather take a one day lockout and have a guaranteed chance at some gear, and then do some crafting or whatever else I want to do in the meantime.
    i personaly like lockouts with guarenteed drops too
    even though 1 day lockout is a bit low still for that to happen(3 days is a better standard imo)

    also id prefer a lockout be limited by completion and not entry alone if they ever consider this