Mouse/Keyboard vs. Controller: Your Thoughts

[Arcell]

For healing duty Mouse+Key board only.

You just cannot even BEGIN to compare the two. For a slightly less stressful muti-target roles I find the controller more relaxing for sit back in couch play.

You can begin to compare them, if you set yourself up right and think ahead you can heal just fine with a controller. It might be a fraction of a second slower than keyboard/mouse but you can still do it quite quickly. People here have stated that they have no issue healing with a gamepad.

I concede that you lose on those fractions of a second but in the grand scheme such things are negligible unless you're going for top 100% super max efficiency.

[Enfarious]

You can begin to compare them, if you set yourself up right and think ahead you can heal just fine with a controller. It might be a fraction of a second slower than keyboard/mouse but you can still do it quite quickly. People here have stated that they have no issue healing with a gamepad.

I concede that you lose on those fractions of a second but in the grand scheme such things are negligible unless you're going for top 100% super max efficiency.

Even if your shooting for the moon it's irrelevant, recast timers people, unless you've all found out how to turn them off so you can use everything freely, please do tell how. You can mash cure w/ a mouse, kbd key, or buttons on a controller. It does not cooldown any faster cause you press 1/1000th of a second faster than the next guy.

Maybe I've been playing wrong though, I know that's some peoples mind set, but I though really really though I had to wait for the recasts, I just can't find in the config where you turn them off, please help me out.

[Alastor]

Even if your shooting for the moon it's irrelevant, recast timers people, unless you've all found out how to turn them off so you can use everything freely, please do tell how. You can mash cure w/ a mouse, kbd key, or buttons on a controller. It does not cooldown any faster cause you press 1/1000th of a second faster than the next guy.

Maybe I've been playing wrong though, I know that's some peoples mind set, but I though really really though I had to wait for the recasts, I just can't find in the config where you turn them off, please help me out.

That's the point some pro-controller people are trying to make. Though, in favor of the k/m users, they would have a split second head-start, which does give them a slight advantage in tempo (their abilities will be available that split-second sooner).

I still do stand by my change to the controller. I'm not sure why people are trying to legitimately discount one way of playing over another. It's all about preference. I simply prefer the controller.

[Enfarious]

That's the point some pro-controller people are trying to make. Though, in favor of the k/m users, they would have a split second head-start, which does give them a slight advantage in tempo (their abilities will be available that split-second sooner).

I still do stand by my change to the controller. I'm not sure why people are trying to legitimately discount one way of playing over another. It's all about preference. I simply prefer the controller.

Yep, and none seem to want to be realistic about the difference in DPS/heals/what ever else, even at 1/2 second fast on the first one which isn't realistic anyway your not going to out DPS me by any significant amount.

So for everyone else:
Besides why would I go into battle with my action bar set anywhere other than the first action I plan to use, so for me it's just a matter of hitting "X" once I'm in range, while I run in and shift the camera to an optimal position, unless you mapped the 1~0 keys to secondary slots (like I did on my G-13) that requires stopping or not moving the camera to lift a hand and press the key you want, you can make the argument that the unnatraul stretch to press "key" while also holding "W+A & I+L" isn't a problem, or that having to move your hands around on a kbd is slower than my thumbs pressing things that are far closer together than the 1 and 0 keys so even w/ the "extra" button presses I'm faster, I win lol.

You may get (I'm giving this to those that "need" to feel superior because they choose to use kbd/mouse) 2~3 xtra light shots(only thing this counts for) over a 5 min. fight, at most 200 dmg/300 secs. < 1 DPS fuck at 10 more light shots than me(this will only happen if I drop my controller, 2 will only happen if I start typing mid fight) your getting 2000dmg/300secs < 7DPS
If <10 DPS is making that much of a difference, and again this is a wildly inflated value that would likely NEVER happen, perhaps it's time to rethink your position on elitism and just not talk to those of us that are part of the "inferior" "untrainable" majority of players.

[Zaaku]

You can begin to compare them, if you set yourself up right and think ahead you can heal just fine with a controller. It might be a fraction of a second slower than keyboard/mouse but you can still do it quite quickly. People here have stated that they have no issue healing with a gamepad.

I concede that you lose on those fractions of a second but in the grand scheme such things are negligible unless you're going for top 100% super max efficiency.

It is less about the time it takes to target a PT member and more along the lines of seeing the trauma victim's health bar on the right and being able to just click it. Even if it is only a tiny bit quicker it is much more accurate IMO and I can be confident that I will always select the target I need.

Going up and down on the thumb pad works too but if someone gets out of range or is otherwise ineligible for targeting it can throw off your count and you may come in over or short on your party list. It is doable but I'd personally just not rather risk it.

[Enfarious]

It is less about the time it takes to target a PT member and more along the lines of seeing the trauma victim's health bar on the right and being able to just click it. Even if it is only a tiny bit quicker it is much more accurate IMO and I can be confident that I will always select the target I need.

Going up and down on the thumb pad works too but if someone gets out of range or is otherwise ineligible for targeting it can throw off your count and you may come in over or short on your party list. It is doable but I'd personally just not rather risk it.

That can happen, but with a little time and practice, 2~3 mins tops, 99.9% of the time it won't, your reaction to the marker skipping a member of your party, which is plenty visible, is to not press "X" just like you clicking on a member and getting the "out of range message". It's not like it's an invisible cursor, it's a big yellow block. At most targeting any member takes 4 presses, I can press up/down 4 times pretty f'in fast. Let's be real here, if the .2 second delay from pressing up 4 times over pressing F5 is enough to get someone dead, then they were going to die anyway. Unless you've found a way to speed up casting?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post672648

Moving a mouse cursor you can still "miss" your intended target no one is perfect. Go head click on the 20 mobs surrounding your tank 5 times see how many different ones you can get w/o moving your mouse at all. Tabkey targeting through them isn't any better than my controller.