Thread: What if in 7.0 they do what gw2 do for new clases

Originally Posted by Mikey_R

This has come up several times and the general consensus is, what is the point? As an example, we will take your example of giving Warrior a sword and making it a DPS.

So, Warrior now has a sword, its animations are built for an axe, so they will need changing to better suit a sword. Then you have the fact alot of the Warrior kit is designed with tanking in mind, all the defensive buffs, strong heals etc. so they would have to change, preferably into more damage orientated abilities to make the rotation more engaging. Then, the abilities they do keep, they will probably have to adjust potencies and add interactions to the new abilities etc.

At this point, you have basically made a new job, so, why not just make a new job rather than trying to repurpose an existing job.

I should also add they had massive problems with balancing between Scholar and Summoner in the past, just because changing one changed the other. Now it is not an issue as the only thing Scholar takes from Arcanist is Resurrection, everything else is a separate ability. They have slowly been decouling the jobs and I wouldn't be surprised if they completely separate them at some point.

This pretty much is the best reply here.

With the way this game works we are better off with new jobs.

If you going to compare a hypothetical change with a different game, some context would been nice as not everyone here played guild wars (i assume gw2 is refering to)

Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer

[url]In short, an elite specialization is a new set of traits and skills for a job that gives you access to a new weapon and fundamentally changes how the job plays. In FF14 it would be the equivalent of letting a Warrior use a Staff and fighting in a way different from both WHM and WAR.

To be clear, you are describing how things work regularly with any class in GW2. The weapon choice brings up different abilities, and reshapes the gameplay for the class. Pick up a Greatsword as Guardian and live the life of a hard-to-kill damage dealer. Pick up a scepter and focus and Guardian becomes the second best healer in the game. There are no tanks, healers or DPS.

As you level, you get core specializations that define what your character can do. At level 80, you can get an elite specialization (with the purchase of at least one expansion set), which gives you access to weapons you couldn't use before. Guardian can take up a bow at level 80 and become a Dragonhunter, for example. All of this is not automatic. It's way worse than what WoW removed from their specializations back around Cataclysm.

None of this would carry well into Final Fantasy XIV. While there is a wide range of attacks one can make in GW2 with different weapons, there are still only 5 basic weapon skills available. While there are core specializations (and weapons) that allow you to take more damage, or to heal damage, there are no tanks, healers or DPS. It makes for interesting PvP, and world bosses can be a fun DPS romp. You can pay for the game once and play forever, but be aware that raiding requires the purchase of expansions and a max level character.

Fun game, but ... if you want to try out that style of play, go get Guild Wars 2.

It simply isn't a fit for this game.

Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Specialization

In short, an elite specialization is a new set of traits and skills for a job that gives you access to a new weapon and fundamentally changes how the job plays. In FF14 it would be the equivalent of letting a Warrior use a Staff and fighting in a way different from both WHM and WAR.

Just sounds like a spin on the Warrior in FF11, it could use pretty much all weapons and weapon skills related to it.

Sounds like they want something similar to FFXI where jobs could all use multiple weapons and the game just had a hidden rating system for each weapon and spell type that effected the proficiency cap it could reach. Jobs however generally stuck with the 1-2 weapons they had an A rating in since lower ratings generally required a considerable accuracy investment unless you were fighting things of equal or lower level.

I wouldn't mind some more individual weapons that blur the lines a little. Like the mining pick pld sword, hammers for warriors etc.

But this system I don't think would translate over so well. The GW2 thing, and WoW's talents/spec options, work in those games because they were designed with them in mind. I think working these back into the existing jobs would be too much work to do, and do WELL, compared to them being able to just add new jobs.