Does this constitute harassment?

[Liam_Harper]

Unfortunately, while it's not nice to taunt you over it, you don't know that he isn't intending to make money too. After all you said yourself these items cost 1k to make, so there's 9k profit per item for him.

Best advice is never use /shout to advertise sales. Especially for an easy to make, low demand item with a 99k profit margin. You couldn't have picked a more fragile market, so you don't want other sellers realizing it. Crafting is in a tough spot right now regarding gil making, since everyone has a crafter this expansion and bots are rampant so supply has gone through the roof while demand has dropped. People are constantly searching for niche markets to squeeze profit from.

I wouldn't bother reporting. Someone else would have crashed the price on an item like that within a week. Lesson learned, sorry to hear something like that happened and move on. Best of luck with future sales.

[Kranel_San]

I'm a new player. I've been leveling all my DoH/DoLs so I can be self sufficient. I don't run out and farm everything because I don't have time to play all week. This winds up getting very expensive.

I find an item that I can craft for 1k and sell for 100k that's apparently used as a glamor item. I throw one one the mb and try selling another in shout chat. Someone else sees it and mentions undercutting me. I ask him not to because I'm trying to make up losses from leveling DoH stuff.

He comes by and waves at me, I check the mb a bit later and he's flooded it with like 15 of that item for 10k/each.

I don't consider undercutting harassment, but this is fully intentional to bother someone. [context in the conversation, not posting in full] Someone who's already established screwing over someone who's getting started and making it impossible for them to buy them out. These items sell less than 2 a day.

As others mentioned. It's better to sell it on Marketboard without shouting to avoid getting unnecessary attention from unwanted ( excuse of.... ) players who have no life but have an unfortunate surplus of gil that would have been a lot better with literally any other player.
And please if possible do show these types of players when possible how their behaviors and attitudes are... not welcomed here. Without harassing of course!
As someone who sells in Marketboard every single day and deals with a lot of items. I know it's painful to wait for days or the duration of a week to sell some items. The purchase history should give you an insight on how long does it take to sell ( And the quantity as well ) so any item that does take a lot of time to sell with little to no value is not worth selling.

[Rowde]

Lot of y'all not getting it... Undercutting, not harassment.

Announcing you're going to undercut, aggressively undercutting with multiple items, then finding the person to gloat about it... that's harassment.

Like if the person that undercut saw OP's shout, was curious about it, checked MB, had any number of thoughts about why they're going to aggressively undercut to themselves and just did it and afterwards went about their day without tracking down the OP to gloat... then no harassment occurs. Even if in their heart of hearts and secret thoughts of their minds eye they're doing it to teach the OP "a lesson" about shouting.


Like I can't accurately recall how many times I've been Rescue'd to my death anymore... but I acknowledge that most of those times were probably mistakes, even if no apology was explicitly typed in chat afterward. Except for two instances I did report for griefing: One, because the healer Rescue'd me into AoE zones multiple times through the course of the duty and did /chuckle or /laugh in chat log each time and Two, because the healer used rescue as they actively jumped off the side of the arena while no mechanics were occurring, which then dragged me with them.

It's that extra oomph that pushes it on over into harassment territory. So as long things actually played out they way OP claims, then I think they can and should report the incident. And again, like I mentioned in my earlier post, and has been mentioned by others, SE doesn't tell you the results. You file a report mostly for your own peace of mind and move on with your day.

[BaconBits]

Yeah, I found the person that undercut me on some random item that wasn't even selling well. Yeah, I found nearly every item they were selling and undercut them for months on end. Yeah, I bullied them off the market board.

And I'll friggin do it again.

[Mika_Zahard]

Undercut all the undercutters. Lets hold hands all the way down the bottom.

[MaLTRaiN]

Your mistake. You shouldn't try to sell an item on the chat. The chat isn't for that.
The other player? Two things. One, he was angry for your ad and gave you a lesson. Two, he could be balancing the price because he thinks you're taking advantage from the people.
If you spend only 1k for the item, just move on and keep crafting and selling.
I'm a crafter too, sell for big profits too and undercuts happens all the time.
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose... you don't cry over business.

[Packetdancer]

Your mistake. You shouldn't try to sell an item on the chat. The chat isn't for that.
The other player? Two things. One, he was angry for your ad and gave you a lesson. Two, he could be balancing the price because he thinks you're taking advantage from the people.

I think shouting an advertisement was a bad idea, and as a crafter who plays the marketboard I fully expect that I'll get undercut on stuff.

But I also think tracking the OP down to taunt them about the undercutting is where it went from "typical marketboard shenanigans" to "this probably counts as harassment".

[Conundrum]

Anyone else really want to k own what he was selling?

[Jojoya]

But I also think tracking the OP down to taunt them about the undercutting is where it went from "typical marketboard shenanigans" to "this probably counts as harassment".

Since when did waving at someone becoming taunting and harassment? That easily could have just been a thank you for the tip on a profit making opportunity.

Honestly, if anyone is in the wrong here it was the OP. He shouldn't have approached the other player telling them not to sell the same item, acting like he's got the moral high ground ripping off other players just because he's new to the game.

Most of us were new to the game at one point and had to compete against established players that could sell for less. We still managed to carve out our place in the markets and make a lot of gil without pulling the "you can't sell that because I'm a new player and need the gil more" pity plea.

[BigHoffie]

Yeah, anyone advocating for reports of harassment because of a /wave in this situation needs a reality check. Even in the OP, with all the bias inherent in a post like that, there is nothing that would constitute harassment. Live and learn, and get over yourself.