New Gear... for class only? [Glaring Issue] [Request]

[Akumu]

I've never soloed better on my class than my job. Here, I'll even break it down, and I'd like you to tell me how the job is worse than the class.

GLA versus PLD -- PLD sacrifices some HP, for higher VIT, more DMG skills, more heals, more mp. Winner, Job.

LNC versus DRG -- DRG has much more dmg, can self cure with dead spike. I can solo 7 rank 50-52 mobs on my DRG. I can't even come close on my LNC. Winner, DRG.

ARC versus BRD -- ARC and BRD DMG is similar. The songs however favor the BRD. You can raise on BRD and heal on BRD. Winner, BRD.

CNJ versus WHM -- Regen on WHM. Enough said. Winner, job.

THM versus BLM is pretty close. THM is very useful at times, but loses out on overall dmg to BLM slightly. We've tried it a lot. Same stats etc. I'd say this is even.

PGL versus MNK -- You can self heal on PGL, but your MNK is a MONSTER on dps. If you aren't evading and stunning enough its not that PGL is better or useful as a solo class, you just aren't playing MNK properly. Pacification, kicks, more dmg overall on MNK. Winner, JOB.

Seriously, I don't see any argument for saying Classes can Solo better than Jobs. Not trying to be a dick or start an argument, but I'd like to know when a class >> job. Please don't say lolraises. If you are having to raise in parties, your healers or your tank is messing up. Simple.

Of course soloing at lv50 is a much easier task for your job, however doing it from 30-50 is far from a breeze when compared to your class. You can die a lot easier when your on a job instead of your class.

GLA/PLD: soloing as a PLD from 30-50 can mean life/death when you can't rely on your free instant heal second wind. Sure you can cure yourself but in most cases(like maxing guildleves) you need that instant heal to help you stay alive mixed with your cures.

LNC/DRG: DRG has the damage but again from 30-50 not having those safety nets can get you killed a lot more than just switching as your class.

No point in just repeating the samething so I'll stop here. DoM might be the only exception(not much of a mage guy) but for a DoW 30-50 can be slept through as a class. Jobs will require you to stay more on point unless you are soloing very easy mobs.

As stated it's not that jobs can't solo and classes can't party. It's just a shift in playstyle with different pros and cons. When it comes to soloing you should not be dying more than on your job and in a party your class shouldn't be out damaging it's respective job.

They each give an edge in certain situations but the edge is not too big to make up for it. A class will bring less damage to a party but brings in support that its respective job can't do. A strategy is a strategy and regardless if you use it or not, it doesn't make it any less viable if it executes and gets the job done.

[Endemerrin]

This thread.


...But seriously. Need to make classes more varied than they are, IMO.

[Ninetoe]

from lodestone classes and jobs :

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Characters can don the gear of the base class as well as job-specific gear.

[Jinko]

I don't see the need for class specific gear, if you are going to make new gear just make it suitable for both class and job.

Darksteel would be awesome if it was class and job as would the new weapons.

Now I do appreciate that classes do have their place but I don't really see the need for specific class only items.

[Vanguard319]

Another good reason to use classes, pld does not lend itself well to level grinding, and mrd/war are the preferred tank for level parties. So a sword user would probably want to switch to a gld setup geared toward DD in order to level in those situations.

[Liniont]

I'm actually protesting the classes because of the ridiculous trade off I feel more useful as a gladiator with Cure/Protect/Raise then I would give that up as a PLD if people hate me for it so be it but I would much rather stay the classes and not have a job because I've got the ability to be a tank/support tank or DPS and support heal and raise when needed. The Jobs should add to the fun not handicap it and the game should be balanced for it not balanced to force using jobs in party. I might as well hang my hat up as far as doing raids and such and just aid as a sword for hire or PL people...

[Lux_Rayna]

Its already been said, but class-specific gear exists to give you more trade-offs between choosing a class or a job. Its hard for ppl to accept, but SE is intending that "class" is always a viable choice when tackling content. I approve of class-only gear, I don't see the problem. An arc can still pwn a bard's single-target damage within a party, and a GLA can still out-tank a PLD. So really, let's not be silly here. A class still kicks ass, ppl just like jobs because they are the new flavor of the month. SE gave you class-only gear to remind you that classes have a role. You may not see it now, but time will show you the way!

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

Haven't been too interested in Lancer, but did Keen Flurry help out with Quick Nock to do another Wide Volley combo sooner?

[Dzian]

Haven't been too interested in Lancer, but did Keen Flurry help out with Quick Nock to do another Wide Volley combo sooner?

quick knock has no impact on wide volley. 2 different combo's

but a bard will out damage an archer with paeon of war and rain of death even on single targets.

keen flurry and invigorate cannot compete with the ability to spam your 10second skills repeatedly even without comboing them. and rain of death just pwns

[Lux_Rayna]

quick knock has no impact on wide volley. 2 different combo's

but a bard will out damage an archer with paeon of war and rain of death even on single targets.

keen flurry and invigorate cannot compete with the ability to spam your 10second skills repeatedly even without comboing them. and rain of death just pwns

You have to clarify that you are talking about solo play. In a party an arc will pwn brd on single target, unless the brd is way better than the arc. The arc will gain the benefits of the bard's paeon of war, if a bard uses that at all, and the arc will have access to invigorate, blood for blood, and keen flurry on top of it. Bard trades some of arc's raw power for support skills, that is the benefit and drawback of the job. Arc is a pure dps class, Bard is a support dps class. This is one example of how classes are still viable.