Quote Originally Posted by KiraAmane View Post
Wait, a LNC aiding people and tanking? I just loled. LNC/DRG is strictly a DD. If you are curing or doing anything else, your party frankly sucks? Attune a LNC to magic? I literally lol'ed. I have nothing to say about these absurd things. Stoneskin on a solo person is ok, but when I don't need it and can burn the mob down faster what is the point of it? If you really need to heal yourself as a solo player on DRG, use livesurge instead of powersurge... I find everything you said about LNC to be moot. And if I'm not main tanking, I run through as DRG and wreak havoc on a consistent basis.
Yea, ok, lets have your actual WHM/CNJ die, and no one else can raise. Oh, but wait, I'm LNC, so I have raise, but I HAVE to damage, even though monster can't die anytime soon and the rest of my party is getting massacred. I'm the only with Raise, but I JUST HAVE to damage! I can sacred prism and stoneskin my party so they don't get as hurt, then raise the healer, but NO, I WANT TO DAMAGE. Oh look, the tank died, and the rest of my parties are mages, BUT I HAVE TO DAMAGE, so I can't tank! Oh look, the THM/BLM is tanking. BUT WHO CARES, I NEED TO DAMAGE.

As for lolling....I don't think you noticed I was taking it as if envisioning the game as real world. Of COURSE the LNC in the GAME will be different from what it would be in RL. But in doing so, it isn't that hard to see that the requirements of 'training' to be a LNC is much different to training to become a DRG. Thinking outside the square.....do you guys do that often, or do you stick to one and stay with it all the way?

My god, I thought that classes had a point in that you could ADAPT to situations as such! WHY can't people be more OPEN to options about how to use your class? MUST you PIGEONHOLE yourself into a role as a class when the job DOES that for you? USE your brain and skills to suit YOUR needs, not what the JOB demands of you. You're on a CLASS, not a JOB.

Paeon of War can't be used immediately at the start of the battle. Yes, it may last longer, but the initial burst of TP from invigorate helps out faster, instead of standing there peppering arrows at the enemies, using paeon of war, peppering enemies again...You mentioned burning down enemies faster as a DRG rather than a LNC. Well, wouldn't an ARC burn down enemies faster than a BRD? And accuracy? Hawk's eye? Are we forgetting the normal abilities that ARC had already, and using BRD ones to justify?

Who wants a CNJ to damage? Fine. Solo. And don't damage. Tell me how you do. Or your party's falling dead around you, and enemy has only a little bit of HP remaining that you can easily nuke away. Oh no, I'll just raise, and protect, and regen, and stoneskin and...oh wait, I'm dead, enemy is almost dead, everyone else is dead. Yay, we're all happy, because I was just trying to heal you guys? What, I could have used an aero then a holy and killed him? No, I had to heal you guys because that's my job! As usual, you go PIGEON-LOCKING yourself in as a class when the class is meant for you to be VERSATILE in what you do.

Quote Originally Posted by raelee View Post
Thaum: You loose quite a few things going from BLM to Thaum. Freeze, for one. If you're in a small party there is probably going to be a time that you'll want to reduce your hate. Flare. Great AoE.
There's one problem here though - you are severely neglecting the potential of cross-classing abilities. Losing hate? What about archer abilities? You have massive hate on you? Pop Chameleon, instant downer. Freeze has a, what, 5 second cast timer? Can be interrupted? If you really wanted enmity gone, you would use those other abilities. Flare. Long cast time. Must be around you to hit. Fire combo. Faster cast time. You can be a RANGED attacker as well.

Conj vs. WHM? Holy! Duh! No, but seriously, if you're in a small party and want to nuke much, just use Shroud of Saints. Reduces enmity. 'Nuff said. Plus, Prescence of Mind if in need for quick spells such as Stoneskin, or of course, Raise. Hell, even Holy.
Shroud of Saints - last 20 seconds. Recast timer, 3 minutes. Less with CNJ ability. And TEMPORARY reduction. Holy - all MP gone. Oh, lovely....now I can't do anything else. And Holy is not a normal NUKING magic - it's situational...

You know what? At the end of the day, we can all go pick situations that fit our arguments. So why don't we take that as a sign and say that they can both co-exist? Neither one takes away from the other. Each one can exist indepedently. You take your situations and try to make the classes sound worthless. I take my situations and try to glorify my classes to make them sound priceless. What's the point, really....as Inaaca says if Jobs can be specific in gear, why can't classes, when they're equally at the right to obtain as such.